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janie i wouldnt feel bad. You only did what any one of us would do. You had no idea what was wrong and you
couldn't just do nothing. They decided to do all the tests etc, and no one asked you beforehand if you'd rather
not do it. Don't be hard on yourself. It was worth it, and look at how far he's come. Whats the saying, its
easy to be smart afterwards. You should be proud of yourself and louis, you've fought together, so keep strong
and keep fighting. Vets are like doctors, they don't know everything. Try and settle yourself , hope you sleep
well. Thinking of you x
 
Janie, don't even think about beating yourself up over this. These chuffing vets make my blood boil, I honestly think they are completely insensitive to their client's feelings. :angry: You have been a wonderful, caring mammy and nurse to our little Louis and I am sure that he loves you to bits for helping him through this ordeal. I'm also positive that he would certainly not be happy with the alternative!!!! I for one have nothing but admiration for everything you've done and the way you've coped with the hell you've been through.

You sound downhearted that the feeding tube may be left in for even longer, and I can quite understand that. Maybe it would be worth putting more pressure on them to remove it at the time they initially promised as Louis has made such great strides forward and is gaining weight well. I'm no vet, but you know Louis better than any of them, and if you can give him the necessary meds without the tube and he's eating as you would like him to, then go with your gut feelings.

Sending you extra special big hugs
Ann

(((((((xxxxx))))))))
 
i just typed a huge long reply and the whole lot disappeared when i clicked post so i'll just say thanks very much for the support (((hugs)))
 
hi FP :)
i've been feeling a bit down because of the chat with the vet and because he also made a remark that has made me feel sooooo bad all day. we were talking about how they don't know much about pancreatitis in cats and i said i wonder how many cases are not diagnosed because not everyone can afford to pay the astronomical fees charged by the specialist vets. he replied "or want to put the cat through it". i immediately felt i'd done the wrong thing in choosing to take him to the hospital and louis endured all that suffering because of me. i'll never forget the sight of him there as long as i live. and how he shook with fear :(:(:( maybe all i've done is prolong the agony if he's not going to get through this. my vet is really nice and it surprised me he said that

Right janie, sit down and look at me

you had to make a decision
you were given information and you made the BEST decision you could AT THAT TIME with the facts to hand
once a decision is made there is no going back, there is no "if only", there is no turning back because it was the best decision at the time.

When Howell was 10 weeks old & very poorly with a twisted intestine, the vet advised me to put him down. I said "No"
When he was 5 years old, Himself ran him over (both wheels went over him). Nothing was broken, but his kidneys were damaged.
I said "No" to the vet
When he was 17 years old, stone deaf and falling over, he looked me in the eyes one morning and I took him to the vet there & then to be put asleep.

I have never regretted a decision in my whole life because at the time, I know it was the best decision I could have made.
So janie sweetheart, don't beat yourself up. It serves no purpose. Just enjoy Louis x
 
thanks min (((hugs)))

i've always had a horror of running over the cat and (much to his disgust) always move louis out of the way if he's near the car when i leave.
 
Howell stupidly dived behind the reversing car.

Not long ago a dog walker (we gets loads of them!), waved me to stop just as I had exited out of the drive to tell me "A cat" (guess who?) was sitting on the roof!
There she was, as pleased as punch enjoying the view.
 
Right janie, sit down and look at me

you had to make a decision
you were given information and you made the BEST decision you could AT THAT TIME with the facts to hand
once a decision is made there is no going back, there is no "if only", there is no turning back because it was the best decision at the time.

When Howell was 10 weeks old & very poorly with a twisted intestine, the vet advised me to put him down. I said "No"
When he was 5 years old, Himself ran him over (both wheels went over him). Nothing was broken, but his kidneys were damaged.
I said "No" to the vet
When he was 17 years old, stone deaf and falling over, he looked me in the eyes one morning and I took him to the vet there & then to be put asleep.

I have never regretted a decision in my whole life because at the time, I know it was the best decision I could have made.
So janie sweetheart, don't beat yourself up. It serves no purpose. Just enjoy Louis x


You've put it so much better than I did min:) I completely agree that we know our furry babies so well that we know when the time is right and when they are ready to go to sleep. Trust your instincts Janie and we're all behind you.
 
Janie - as Minim said, you had to make a decision & that is what you did. We will always wonder afterwards if we made the right one, everybody does.

A year or so back, DD & her b/f lost their beloved cat. He was perfect in every way imagineable, outgoing, friendly, loving, wonderful with their (at the time) baby, perfectly behaved in all situations, (they even brought him here when they came to visit & he was just exquisite!). He was only a young cat, not much over a year old.
He was also unlucky enough to have an incredibly rare & rather awful genetic disease that meant his skin got progressively weaker & thinner.

They had him stitched up initially (thinking it was an horrific accident that caused it) but he continued to have 'accidents' as time went on & eventually the vets became suspicious & he was diagnosed. DD & her b/f were told it was progressive & there was no treatment & no cure.
Eventually, he had to wear a collar all the time & have his open cuts bathed several times a day. Finally, all too soon, the day came when the vets 'phoned to say his skin was simply tearing as they tried to stitch up his latest cut & he was pts there & then as it was now clearly hopeless & he was fast approaching the stage where he would have little to no quality of life left. Even the vet cried, he was such a popular character.

DD quizzed me for ages afterwards on whether they had done the right thing in not having him pts earlier but he was here with his collar on at one point & he came to call when she called him upstairs to have his cuts bathed & just sat there whilst she did it. He was funny & happy the whole time, rolling round the floor with my g'daughter & chasing after toys.
She also quizzed me on whether she had done the right thing in having him pts too soon, though she knew in her heart that they had reached the bend in the river & she didn't want to see him lose his happy go lucky personality, though it was hard to say goodbye whilst he still seemed so full of life.

As you can see, you are not alone Janie; treatment or no treatment, prolonged hospital stays in the hope of more info etc. or stay comfy at home etc. etc. All I can say is, I know DD & her b/f made sensible & justifiable decisions at the time, though their sadness at the complete 'unfairness' of it all made them question this repeatedly, certainly initially, though it no longer preys on their minds now even though they still view it all as grossly 'unfair', which it was of course!

I think you are leaping ahead perhaps & imagining a worse case scenario, in which case you feel (now) that it might be hard to judge whether his fear etc. (it won't be keeping him awake at night though, I promise you!) in some of the situations would have been 'pointless' but we do have to base our decisions on the here & now, not the future & if the decision is a good & intelligent one, (I won't say right one, as there may be more than one option!), then we have done our best at the time & with what info was available to us at that time?

It is a hard choice but as long as we know when to draw the line & say enough is enough, trying stuff that may well help, even if temporarily somewhat scary or unpleasant for the animal in question, is a lot easier to live with than doing nothing at all & wondering if we should have done more or tried harder!
(Hence my story above, he wasn't suffering horribly but he could have done without a lot of it & good-natured though he was, he must've thought 'Oh FFS' at times, I'm sure but he sure wasn't dragged on to the bitter end or put through it just to allow them to cling on to him a while longer, he was still living life up until the point the seesaw tipped against him & it would have been rapidly all downhill from there on in!)

Whatever happens with Louis, I'm sure you will come to see that you tried your best & made sensible decisions, not ones based on pure emotion from either viewpoint of the spectrum! xx
 
Janie, don't even think about beating yourself up over this. These chuffing vets make my blood boil, I honestly think they are completely insensitive to their client's feelings. :angry: You have been a wonderful, caring mammy and nurse to our little Louis and I am sure that he loves you to bits for helping him through this ordeal. I'm also positive that he would certainly not be happy with the alternative!!!! I for one have nothing but admiration for everything you've done and the way you've coped with the hell you've been through.

You sound downhearted that the feeding tube may be left in for even longer, and I can quite understand that. Maybe it would be worth putting more pressure on them to remove it at the time they initially promised as Louis has made such great strides forward and is gaining weight well. I'm no vet, but you know Louis better than any of them, and if you can give him the necessary meds without the tube and he's eating as you would like him to, then go with your gut feelings.

Sending you extra special big hugs
Ann

(((((((xxxxx))))))))


thanks mam :) like min, you put it beautifully.

that's the problem. louis isn't difficult to pill, he's impossible. the tube can't stay in long term and once it's removed, it would require surgery to put it back in which would be very difficult, as well as undesirable, as he's now had one on both sides. the steroid is definitely long term and i don't know how we're going to get round that.
 
thanks for that kitten :) i'm so sorry to hear about your daughter's cat - what a terrible condition :(

i will have to discuss this with the vet again. when the emergency vet suggested it, it was very late at night, louis had been very ill and i was panic stricken. she said 'look, he's not getting better is he, do you want him to see a specialist?'. i said yes without hesitation, didn't have to think about it and the following morning he was admitted. at that time i knew nothing about the cost or what they were going to do to him. i just knew i wanted someone to make him better. my usual vet hadn't mentioned it and i'm wondering now if he would have.

so i need to ask him. i know i'm obsessing about it but it's hard not to, after it being 99% of my life for 2 months. i know you are all right but i've never had a lot of confidence in making decisions and do most definitely regret some major ones, like the person i married. partly because of that decision, i made louis' (and every other) decision on my own and it's hard. anyway, i'll keep on keeping on. thanks everyone :)
 
Janie maybe the steriod could be given via a long lasting injection instead of orally?

I always had a real problem getting my old cat to take any tablets so when she needed worming I took her to the vets for them to do it and when she had teeth out and needed pain killers and antibiotics I crushed them, mixed it with a little water and drew it up into a syringe, minus the needle and squirted it into the side of her mouth and down her throat (might be worth asking the vet if the steriod could be administered in that way?)
 
Janie maybe the steriod could be given via a long lasting injection instead of orally?

I always had a real problem getting my old cat to take any tablets so when she needed worming I took her to the vets for them to do it and when she had teeth out and needed pain killers and antibiotics I crushed them, mixed it with a little water and drew it up into a syringe, minus the needle and squirted it into the side of her mouth and down her throat (might be worth asking the vet if the steriod could be administered in that way?)

i've asked about injecting him DD and neither vet is keen. apparently it only comes as a slow release and for some reason that's not a very good idea. i don't think he'd let me squirt anything in his mouth and i'd also be scared of choking him. it's tasteless apparently so most people put it in food but louis will only eat the biscuit form of the prescription diet so that's a non starter too. we have to sort something out though obviously.
 
i've asked about injecting him DD and neither vet is keen. apparently it only comes as a slow release and for some reason that's not a very good idea. i don't think he'd let me squirt anything in his mouth and i'd also be scared of choking him. it's tasteless apparently so most people put it in food but louis will only eat the biscuit form of the prescription diet so that's a non starter too. we have to sort something out though obviously.[/Q

In work sometimes its hard to get older people to drink, so when we feed them we fill syringes with juice and usually find a space at the side
of the mouth for the drink to go into. It might sound awful , but its to get them to drink. Its to keep their fluid levels up, or a nice cup of tea in it. We also have people with broked jaws whose jaws are wired up, and they have to use syringes to get their fluid diet down, and its the same idea, you always find a space to put the tip of the syringe in, and just go slow, you wouldn't choke anyone. We go slow obviously.
 
Have you tried the Primula cheese trick for pills Janie? Most cats go for it, even if they're really poorly. Blob of primula on the finger, stick the pill or half if its a biggun the another blob of primula. Alf is easy to pill but Harvey is a nightmare. Primula works on both.

Oh don't worry about whether you made the right decision, lovely, you made the decision and you did it with the best of intentions and with absolute and utter love. That can't be wrong.

Chin up!!
 
tink - the one time i tried to pill louis, i tried everything. it was a worming tablet so not the end of the world. i then discovered prefender spot on. with my other cats i used the chicken skin method - wrapping roast chicken skin round the tablet like clingfilm. louis wasn't having any of it. he doesn't like chicken, cheese or any other people food. also, he's only allowed to eat the special diet. i will certainly bear it in mind though, i have to find something that works but really really hoping it will be injection.
 
i spoke to both vets today and another one of the meds is being stopped and the steroid dose lowered. spec. vet wants the darn tube to stay in another month because it's vital to get the steroids in. the regular vet is finding out when the labs will be open and when the couriers are working because louis needs repeat bloods bang on xmas so we have to try and work something round that. i also asked them to communicate with each other about giving the sterids when the tube comes out. we have to have a plan in place. it amazes me there's not a protocol for this because louis' not the first cat to have steroids and not the first cat to refuse oral medication! sigh
 

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