Watch out Basso's about!

[Just Beauty Direct]

For me the whole point of the Anti Basso threads is raising awareness that in the US Basso is a furrier. So that whatever he sells over here, people know that part of his core business is in the fur trade. I would NEVER buy from him or any product made by him for that reason.

It is about awareness raising of this issue

If people still wish to buy in the full knowledge of this, then so be it. I may not like it but it is their right to choose. I may not like QVC selling Basso products, but again it is their right to stock it

 

[argeybargey]

That might be the case, but they're still interested in QVC otherwise they wouldn't be posting here!

Corr - are we outcast then 'cos we can't tolerate Basso or watch QVC. Ne'emind - I'm grown-up - I can cope with rejection <a href="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fwww.smileycentral.com%252F%253Fpartner%253DZSzeb008%255FZNxpt484YYGB%2526i%253D36%252F36%255F6%255F3%2526feat%253Dprof/page.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://smileys.smileycentral.com/cat/36/36_6_3.gif" alt="SmileyCentral.com" border="0"><img border="0" src="http://plugin.smileycentral.com/http%253A%252F%252Fimgfarm%252Ecom%252Fimages%252Fnocache%252Ftr%252Ffw%252Fsmiley%252Fsocial%252Egif%253Fi%253D36%252F36_6_3%2526uiv%253D3.0/image.gif"></a>

 

[petpixie]

Oh well each to their own, some of us are complicated.

How very true Jasper!:1:

 

[Fraggle]

That might be the case, but they're still interested in QVC otherwise they wouldn't be posting here!

An interest in shopping telly and being a part of this forum is far more than just an interest in QVC...

I also think it's about awareness. If people choose to buy from Basso then they have every right to do so regardless of how others may feel, what I disagree with is that QVC are purposely silent on the furrier issue. I believe people should know about Basso's real trade and make up their minds whether to purchase his products in full knowledge of the facts. I am willing to bet that there are a significant number of people out there who love their DB faux fur coat - but would burn it to ashes if they knew about his involvement in the cruel and horrific practices of the fur trade.

 

[AllThatGlitters]

I didn't know he sold furs, until I read it here. Do the presenters ever mention it? (Perhaps no-one can bear to listen to his voice long enough to find out :-D)

 

[Jasper]

I didn't know he sold furs, until I read it here. Do the presenters ever mention it? (Perhaps no-one can bear to listen to his voice long enough to find out :-D)

I do not watch Basso, but if my memory serves me right. The presenters tend to hush him up, or quickly change the subject, when he mentions his other line.

 

[Pinkpussycat]

Imo anyone who wears real fur are scum. Anyone who supports Basso by buying anything at all from him whilst knowing about his real trade, aren't much better. PC:

 

[margaret43]

I don't like Basso himself or his products. All I'm saying is that if I was so angry with a retailer as some people here obviously are with QVC for giving Basso air time, then I would boycott them completely, and wouldn't let any of my hard earned cash line their pockets.

It seems to me that some members rant and rave about Basso (which is fair enough), but yet won't take the final step of boycotting QVC completely. I don't watch Rocks TV or Gem TV or whatever (don't even know their names) so it follows that I don't ever visit their threads.

There's no need to call anyone 'Stalinist' just because they point out the above.

 

[donna255]

There's a choice?????:26:

 

[lawrenson]

Hi,

exactly.

If people were THAT upset about him they would vote with their feet.

Personally, I think there are an awful lot of hypocrites on here who say one thing, and do another.

Plus its like they have nothing else in their lives - "oh dennis basso, oh, hes so evil, oh he's scum" every time he's on. And he's been on a lot recently, which means his stuff must be selling.

Yeah, who cares about the poor kiddies in the third world eh? QUACK QUACK - isnt that SOOO funny?

Don't like the TSV tho.

Cheers,
karen

 

[donna255]

Karen, then why don't you start a thread about the slave labour use and which brands on QVC are quilty.

Eveytime Brasso comes up, people then get upset why people are worried about animals when children are being used.

Do you shop in Primark for instance? They use them. Its no good jumping into a thread about fur saying what about the children. They surely deserve their own campagne.

Which QVC brands are doing this?

 

[Jasper]

I don't like Basso himself or his products. All I'm saying is that if I was so angry with a retailer as some people here obviously are with QVC for giving Basso air time, then I would boycott them completely, and wouldn't let any of my hard earned cash line their pockets.

It seems to me that some members rant and rave about Basso (which is fair enough), but yet won't take the final step of boycotting QVC completely. I don't watch Rocks TV or Gem TV or whatever (don't even know their names) so it follows that I don't ever visit their threads.

There's no need to call anyone 'Stalinist' just because they point out the above.

As Donna255 has previously mentioned, a lot of ST.com members have decided to boycott QVC, over the whole Basso saga. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about their products, or source similar products elsewhere. Or even just satirise the channel. As I said before, each to their own.

 

[margaret43]

As Donna255 has previously mentioned, a lot of ST.com members have decided to boycott QVC, over the whole Basso saga. But that doesn't mean we can't talk about their products, or source similar products elsewhere. Or even just satirise the channel. As I said before, each to their own.

But why!? Even by watching QVC, you're bolstering their viewing figures! I know many members are boycotting QVC over this issue, so why are they still interested in the channel?? Why not just switch it off and REALLY hit their viewing figures in addition to their sales figures if you feel SO strongly about Basso?

 

[Jasper]

Hi margaret43, how do you feel about the whole QVC and Basso issue?

 

[AllThatGlitters]

Donna, the reason for mentioning the issue of child exploitation is simply to point out that there are DEGREES of commercial exploitation of the innocent. The fur trade is undoubtedly exploitative, but so are many other practices which we don't feel so uncomfortable about because they're less easy to see. Practices which we - yes us, on this forum - tacitly tolerate because they benefit us. If we're prepared to accept that it's OK for us to eat an animal that was left to suffocate to death in agony (fish), or wear something created by a child slave, can we really place ourselves at the Pure and Innocent end of the scale, but see nothing but evil in someone's else's willingness to use the skin of an animal that might have been unpleasantly butchered?

Strikes me that it's much easier to scream 'scum!' at a woman in a fur coat than it is to ask oneself difficult questions about one's own choices or to become a life-long vegan. I would be much more convinced by the rage-against-fur if it was part of a broad commitment to tolerance and respect for life, rather than what usually looks like a hissy fit against an easy target.

Dennis Basso is not the Emperor of Evil because he sells clothes made of fur. Every one of us who clicks 'Submit Order' for a pair of Birkenstocks, without asking ourselves where the leather came from, has made a moral decision that inches us off the Pedestal of Purity. That's fine with me, but I'm not about to hurl hate at someone whose conscience is even more elastic than my own.

 

[Jasper]

Yeah, who cares about the poor kiddies in the third world eh? QUACK QUACK - isnt that SOOO funny?

Donna, the reason for mentioning the issue of child exploitation is simply to point out that there are DEGREES of commercial exploitation of the innocent.

If you feel so strongly about the issue, why don’t you take Donna’s advice, and start a separate thread on child exploitation and the associated QVC brands. As I’m sure all those against fur farming, would also be against child exploitation.:24::24::24:

 

[donna255]

Donna, the reason for mentioning the issue of child exploitation is simply to point out that there are DEGREES of commercial exploitation of the innocent. The fur trade is undoubtedly exploitative, but so are many other practices which we don't feel so uncomfortable about because they're less easy to see. Practices which we - yes us, on this forum - tacitly tolerate because they benefit us. If we're prepared to accept that it's OK for us to eat an animal that was left to suffocate to death in agony (fish), or wear something created by a child slave, can we really place ourselves at the Pure and Innocent end of the scale, but see nothing but evil in someone's else's willingness to use the skin of an animal that might have been unpleasantly butchered?

Strikes me that it's much easier to scream 'scum!' at a woman in a fur coat than it is to ask oneself difficult questions about one's own choices or to become a life-long vegan. I would be much more convinced by the rage-against-fur if it was part of a broad commitment to tolerance and respect for life, rather than what usually looks like a hissy fit against an easy target.

Dennis Basso is not the Emperor of Evil because he sells clothes made of fur. Every one of us who clicks 'Submit Order' for a pair of Birkenstocks, without asking ourselves where the leather came from, has made a moral decision that inches us off the Pedestal of Purity. That's fine with me, but I'm not about to hurl hate at someone whose conscience is even more elastic than my own.

But everytime we do have a thread about the fur trade and Brasso, people come on and outraged saying we should care more about the children used in slave labour. Then they never start a thread on how the clothing ranges on QVC are all made in China, and people should not buy. Everytime there is a thread on YBF,Kim and Co, Quacker etc why not make people aware? Many people come to this site and read without joining, if they read and become aware then all the better. But the clothing and use of children is an open secret, unless you buy expensive couture it is mainly unavoidable. Fur is a luxury item and Brasso will always have his high end customers. But informing Joe Public you are helping fund him is a step forward. Then you move to the next step on the chain on whichever campagne you are behind.

 

[Pinkpussycat]

Donna, the reason for mentioning the issue of child exploitation is simply to point out that there are DEGREES of commercial exploitation of the innocent. The fur trade is undoubtedly exploitative, but so are many other practices which we don't feel so uncomfortable about because they're less easy to see. Practices which we - yes us, on this forum - tacitly tolerate because they benefit us. If we're prepared to accept that it's OK for us to eat an animal that was left to suffocate to death in agony (fish), or wear something created by a child slave, can we really place ourselves at the Pure and Innocent end of the scale, but see nothing but evil in someone's else's willingness to use the skin of an animal that might have been unpleasantly butchered?

Strikes me that it's much easier to scream 'scum!' at a woman in a fur coat than it is to ask oneself difficult questions about one's own choices or to become a life-long vegan. I would be much more convinced by the rage-against-fur if it was part of a broad commitment to tolerance and respect for life, rather than what usually looks like a hissy fit against an easy target.

Dennis Basso is not the Emperor of Evil because he sells clothes made of fur. Every one of us who clicks 'Submit Order' for a pair of Birkenstocks, without asking ourselves where the leather came from, has made a moral decision that inches us off the Pedestal of Purity. That's fine with me, but I'm not about to hurl hate at someone whose conscience is even more elastic than my own.

I think I have seldom read such a self righteous post. Do you not eat meat, fish or fowl then?? Or wear leather?? Do you always research how the animals were killed?? Do you always check to see if any of the clothes you wear have been produced in some sweat shop in the Far East before you buy them?? It would be impossible to totally avoid buying into any/all of the aspects of cruel practices that go on in this world but we can make a stand and villify those that we do know about, and Basso is a prime example of a fat capitalist ******* getting rich from extreme cruelty. He, and the vain rich bitches who wear his products ARE scum in my eyes and always will be so don't bother to preach your pious crap to me. PC:

 

[margaret43]

Hi margaret43, how do you feel about the whole QVC and Basso issue?

Hi Jasper. The answer to that is in post no. 68. Just in case you missed it, I'll repeat myself. I don't like Basso or his products. I'll also add, I've never bought any of his products and can say 100% that I won't in future either. I would never wear real fur, and I dislike faux fur.

Regarding QVC, I enjoy shopping with them and will continue to do so, Basso or no Basso. That's why I don't get all publically indigant about QVC peddling his wares, because to do so would be hypocritical, since I still line QVC's pockets.

Many many years ago whilst at Uni, I remember the Student Union urging all students who were banking with Barclays to move their accounts, on account of their links with South Africa (in the days of apartheid). So many students did so, that we heard off the record that the local branch had had to move members of staff to another branch because so many accounts were closed.

So, Jasper, if you REALLY feel strongly about something, wouldn't it be better to boycott that organization completely?

HTH!! (I've just learnt what this means in another thread).

 

[argeybargey]

Donna, the reason for mentioning the issue of child exploitation is simply to point out that there are DEGREES of commercial exploitation of the innocent. The fur trade is undoubtedly exploitative, but so are many other practices which we don't feel so uncomfortable about because they're less easy to see. Practices which we - yes us, on this forum - tacitly tolerate because they benefit us. If we're prepared to accept that it's OK for us to eat an animal that was left to suffocate to death in agony (fish), or wear something created by a child slave, can we really place ourselves at the Pure and Innocent end of the scale, but see nothing but evil in someone's else's willingness to use the skin of an animal that might have been unpleasantly butchered?

Strikes me that it's much easier to scream 'scum!' at a woman in a fur coat than it is to ask oneself difficult questions about one's own choices or to become a life-long vegan. I would be much more convinced by the rage-against-fur if it was part of a broad commitment to tolerance and respect for life, rather than what usually looks like a hissy fit against an easy target.

Dennis Basso is not the Emperor of Evil because he sells clothes made of fur. Every one of us who clicks 'Submit Order' for a pair of Birkenstocks, without asking ourselves where the leather came from, has made a moral decision that inches us off the Pedestal of Purity. That's fine with me, but I'm not about to hurl hate at someone whose conscience is even more elastic than my own.

Please don't speak for me AtG - you don't know me or my shopping habits and have no right to presume what I will or won't tolerate. Unfortunately, there are a couple of people on this thread who seem to think it's okay to put words into other people's mouths, or make completely unfounded and generalised accusations. Everyone on this forum is an individual with their own morality (or even lack of), each has their own opinion (right or wrong) on each individual topic and, as has been done by Karen, to make mockery of the arguments without coming up with anything useful herself is outrageous.

I would be appalled if anyone I know here was deliberately making unethical purchases, but until I know that as fact I would not presume they are doing so solely on the grounds that they like to take part in this forum.

I'm surprised by how p'd off I am by just a couple of silly posts, but I cannot tolerate "we" do this "we" do that from people who don't even know who "we" are. Caring about animal welfare precludes no-one from caring about humanity in general, it is simply that this thread happens to be about fur. If one person has learned something from this thread and boycots Basso, surely that's a good thing. That person may well then go onto another thread and learn about child workers (though this is a much less black and white subject).

I read threads relating to all the shopping channels but only actually use a couple. Can I not flick over my TV to see the joke, or join in with a general ongoing joke as that with the lovely Mrs James and her kaftans?

I wonder how many of the numerous demonstrations I have attended on various matters that I have seen either of you at? None, I'll bet.

I love a good debate and think it's healthy for everyone to give their opinion, whether we like/agree or not, but to resort to generalisations, mockery and rudeness to other members is simply not on.

Argey