Sbc tsv 26/08/2014

[Scout]

I'm getting mixed messages here.

Which of you are against all forms of cruelty to animals and which of you are just against the form of cruelty that manifests itself in testing cosmetics on animals so that men and women can improve their looks? Because if it's the former, you also have to include: testing of drugs on animals (no animal would ask another species to do unspeakable things to itself in the name of science so that our species remains healthy), horse racing (no animal actively asks another species to bump around on its back), keeping pets in your house or garden (no animal was asked whether it wanted to lose its freedom in order to live a lifestyle it didn't choose) and so on. If it's just the latter, I'm not sure what the rationalisation is.

I'm not trying to be inflammatory, I'm simply trying to get my head round the thinking behind the stance.

I am opposed to all forms of cruelty and do everything I can to live a cruelty-free life. To address all your points could take an age, but briefly: I only contribute to charities that don't fund animal research. My able-bodied cats are free to leave the house and go anywhere they want to go, and my dogs run off the lead outside the house and garden every day - and they all choose to return to me and to their home of their own accord. My blind cats and neurologically damaged cats, who can't protect themselves, live a very spoiled and happy life within the boundaries of our house and our garden. I have been vegetarian and latterly vegan for 45 years, and never wear animal-derived materials.

As for horse racing - I would have thought that the fact that 1142 horses have died on race courses in the past 2726 days would be enough for anyone, but the problem is that most people don't know. http://www.horsedeathwatch.com/

 

[Scout]

People probably haven't noticed, but I rarely raise the cruel aspect of the cosmetic industry in these threads - but when someone else raises it then I will exercise my right to respond. On the few occasions when I have been the first to raise the subject I've posted "For those that are interested, these are not cruelty-free products" or somesuch, which I believe is a perfectly reasonable comment. Nobody is required to respond. There are quite a number of people here who are interested and concerned about this issue, and those people exchanging posts does not constitute "hijacking" the thread any more than any other thread is "hijacked" when it goes off at a tangent - as most of them do. That it doesn't interest some members is only natural - many threads don't interest me, so I don't read them or comment on them. I particularly dislike the threads that savage the presenters, and I think a lot of the comments made are cruel, vicious and unnecessary. I wouldn't dream of suggesting, however, that those posting to those threads shouldn't do it just because it bores and alienates me. The fact is that on a site like this it's not possible to "ram down other forumites throats" any viewpoint at all, because nobody is compelled to read any particular thread or any particular member's posts. If we don't like it or we're not interested then we can just give it a miss or use the block function to avoid certain members. As long as the posts are civil, as a group of intelligent adults surely each of us is capable of moderating our own use of the site to allow freedom of discussion for all.

 

[sharonk]

Mines not arrived yet

 

[HYPE in a JAR]

I love animals and would never inflict cruelty, pain on distress upon them. Even as a child when the other kids would pick the legs of a dandy long legs I couldn't bear the unnecessary cruelty.

Growing up I was no stranger to being on a farm, and learned to look after, care and ultimately respect the animals. But this respect extended to eating them too. I was taught that this was ultimately the purpose for their life. They weren't being reared as pets after all.

To this day I still respect the meat on my plate, and am thankful for the sustenance, protein and energy it provides me. And I am a firm believer in putting all parts of the animal to good use, it's such a shame to put any part to waste. When in Spain I always order, and thoroughly enjoy a lovely rabbit stew.

I really love vegetables, and sometimes they are my favourite part of a meal, but no amount of them, beans and pulses I feel would sustain me. Sure not every meal I have contains meat, but I do feel personally I need it in my diet.

When it comes to testing products meant to make us more beautiful, in this day in age, I have a problem in using animals to test these products. That said I do understand how without the animal testing that has went on previously, these products may not be safe to use today. Ultimately I think it is up to governments and the necessary bodies to deem this necessary or not - I don't have the information or expertise to qualify me to make that decision.

As I understand it, Europe deems this unnecessary and unacceptable for public health and safety. So if there is a viable alternative, human cell testing or suchlike, then there is no need to still conduct it. I hope the rest of the world, China in particular, can be convinced that it is unnecessary and outdated.

Sorry don't use SBC - too high an alcohol content for my preference!

 

[thatu]

Anyway back to the Tsv hows everyone getting on with it

Waiting for delivery. Who else has ordered it?

 

[Vienna]

Anyway back to the Tsv hows everyone getting on with it

Waiting for delivery. Who else has ordered it?

Mine arrived yesterday. I use the propolis and collagen gels all the time and my OH uses the arnica. The shower gels are new to me but I`m mid way through a large ABC body wash so it will be a while before I start on the SBC body washes.

 

[Sazza]

Mines not arrived yet

Anyway back to the Tsv hows everyone getting on with it

Waiting for delivery. Who else has ordered it?

Mine arrived yesterday. I use the propolis and collagen gels all the time and my OH uses the arnica. The shower gels are new to me but I`m mid way through a large ABC body wash so it will be a while before I start on the SBC body washes.

Ours arrived yesterday too next day delivery, amazing for QVC! We use loads of Arnica Gel and mum very keen to try the Arnica Shower Creme.

 

[MrMarple]

Whatever my own personal views on animal welfare are (and I will keep them to myself) I am getting fed up with threads on here being hijacked by quasi-political comments from people who approach beauty products from an activist stance. Of course people are entitled to their opinions and are entitled to live their own lives as they please. But quite frankly I am bored with threads being hijacked and individual posts being dissected with this topic. There has to be a line between an opinion being expressed and it being rammed down other forumites throats as often as it is being. In my opinion it puts people off posting on the thread ( well me anyhow) and does nothing to advance the cause at least in my mind anyway. Heck I just come on here for light banter about make up, skincare, clothes and bags when I am on the bus home from work after a day dealing with abuse and cruelty (to children not animals) so forgive me if I say please, enough already!!! I am off home to cuddle my kids, make a fuss over my cat and open a bottle of wine with my feet up.

I like animals by the way. But I eat meat, take pills when I am ill and probably own products that have been animal tested. And I like SBC.

Sorry WG, but all I was doing was answering a few questions regarding animal testing to those who asked. I simply stated what products I use that I know are Cruelty Free.
I certainly didn't 'hijack' the thread and I don't feel my comments were 'quasi-political' in the slightest.
This is a forum about shopping TV channels and the products they sell, which is exactly what I participated in. Surely the point of a forum to get as many peoples point of view as possible?
I love the light-hearted banter on here as much as the next person, but are you saying we should be banned from making any comments that don't fall under the umbrella of 'funny'?

I hate Jill Franks, she looks like a cross between Iggy Pop & Skeletor. Is that light-hearted enough for you or is that classed as offensive to a rock singer & a cartoon character? Should I be banned from those type of comments as well?

 

[Weathergirl]

Sorry WG, but all I was doing was answering a few questions regarding animal testing to those who asked. I simply stated what products I use that I know are Cruelty Free.
I certainly didn't 'hijack' the thread and I don't feel my comments were 'quasi-political' in the slightest.
This is a forum about shopping TV channels and the products they sell, which is exactly what I participated in. Surely the point of a forum to get as many peoples point of view as possible?
I love the light-hearted banter on here as much as the next person, but are you saying we should be banned from making any comments that don't fall under the umbrella of 'funny'?

I hate Jill Franks, she looks like a cross between Iggy Pop & Skeletor. Is that light-hearted enough for you or is that classed as offensive to a rock singer & a cartoon character? Should I be banned from those type of comments as well?

MM my post was not aimed at you at all. It's the constant theme that comes up all the time not just on this thread either. Sorry but I think this is a quasi political issue that is not really what this forum is about. Nothing wrong with asking if a product is tested on animals to help make a buying choice, but when the point is made in advance, in an unsolicited way it feels like we are being lectured. That's my opinion, people don't need to share it.

 

[boffy]

i have stopped ordering the sbc gels..after years of application i willl not order anymore. even the arnica does not work on me. stockpiling these huge industrial bottles is a thing of the past. my wardrobes can breath

 

[thatu]

Mine arrived yesterday. I use the propolis and collagen gels all the time and my OH uses the arnica. The shower gels are new to me but I`m mid way through a large ABC body wash so it will be a while before I start on the SBC body washes.

Vienna, we ordered the litre size collagen shower gel last time around and it's lasted for ages and we both love it, so we ordered this tsv. I use arnica and OH uses the collagen. I'm looking forward to trying the propolis. Hope it doesn't disappoint.

 

[Vienna]

Vienna, we ordered the litre size collagen shower gel last time around and it's lasted for ages and we both love it, so we ordered this tsv. I use arnica and OH uses the collagen. I'm looking forward to trying the propolis. Hope it doesn't disappoint.

I can only speak for myself THATU but I`ve found the propolis really helpful with sensitivity issues. I apply it to my face and neck at night, let it soak in and then apply my usuall night oil. I do the same with the collagen but in the morning. They work for me.