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DOC2 said:
Just caught some of their last night’s broadcast on catch-up. Rob Locke presenting and talking to the viewers like they are sentient human beings living in 2023 - rather than Carry On film lovers with no common sense living in 1975. Tim Britton back again with a decent enough looking e-Bike (though, check Amazon reviews), then a virtual reality headset which looked quite interesting. Such a breath of fresh air in style compared to some other recent start-ups.
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Yes i caught that too, interesting items and good style of presentation
PhaedrusR said:
Roku is great. I've got an Express (HD), a Stick (NowTV) and a new Roku Streambar (4K and S/pdif soundbar). YouTube via Roku for ShoponTV catch-up, but you can watch it live on ITVXchannel via Roku, no?

My Roku stick had sync/buffering sound issues. You need to play with the audio settings, various Dolby/quality settings on/off sorted it for me.
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When you watch via ITVX it has a message on screen saying this programme is not available on this platform (or something along those lines)
 
I caught more of the Shop on TV stuff with Rob and he had Polti Bev on there. We're not talking some religious experience here but look at how these guys approach shopping TV compared to elsewhere and we are miles apart. The leaders are still QVC. But when Ideal World first came along they had their own identity and were good contenders. Ideal World lost their way and I can't say the new lot are an improvement.
 
Dr Quincy MkII said:
Yes i caught that too, interesting items and good style of presentation

When you watch via ITVX it has a message on screen saying this programme is not available on this platform (or something along those lines)
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Ahhh, thanks. I hadn't tried. Wonder why? Something about ITV live terms for retail?
It's not as if Roku doesn't host a few other live shopping TV channels like V-channel, Create & Craft.

Re ShoponTV. Can't stand Hayley, every time, within 2 sentences of opening, "we have an *amazing* product for you..." Or "..*absolutely fantastic* item...". She goes on autopilot.
I know they're selling, but no need for this hyperbole. A pair of more waterproof ug-boots are not "amazing".

Noticed they are toning it down "a bit" and trying to stick more to the facts. For Crawley/Hayley it is a bad habit they need to ditch.
 
I think overall it’s a positive start. I think their feedback gathering problem, if they are looking for active reviews here, is the very nature of the time that they’re on at night will prevent many who post here from watching them live. And I think for most people (least, for me) part of the fun of watching shopping television is to see it live but not at two in the morning on a work day. Being compulsively awful is also another reason I think a lot of us watch, and this channel isn’t that. I also don’t really want to plough through a replay of what they showed the previous night/early hours of the morning. Broadcasting times, also appear to not be consistent, so you don’t really know when it’s going start night on night.

I did watch back a few minutes via their YouTube feed of what they put out earlier. A new presenter to me (somebody called Victoria Norris) presenting skincare stuff with an Eileen from Corrie lookalike. Fast forwarding through the whole of the two hours of broadcasting, it seemed to be devoted to the same type of product, if not the only product. That is a big struggle to capture general interest - particularly at that time of night. Perhaps being new, they have a shortage of items to fill shows still as it has certainly happened before. Unless you are obsessed with skincare products, you are not going to sit there for two hours and watch two people talk about one or two items of a specific type. But hopefully, this is a short term issue, and they will be able to fill their broadcasting time with more items show on show as things progress further. Overall, I think it remains a good start, but I also think they have three huge disadvantages in capturing a wider and loyal buying audience - the time of night they are on, the limited product ranges, and the short transmission times. They also face what all players in this market do. And that is the diminishing market wanting to buy in this ‘old fashioned’ kind of way. How they get around that one is the key to all shopping channels television survival in general, which to me seems unlikely - even for the biggest player within the next 15 to 20 years, when most of the buying market you would imagine there to be has died off. Somebody explain to me why a young buyer would want to purchase a product on this or any other shopping channel by having to tune in at a specific time to see it, and wade through an unwanted preamble, when they can simply click on a major retail player like Amazon, find the same or similar product with it explained to them in seconds. And with a couple more clicks, order it usually for ‘free’ via monthly subscription postage, with hands on, specific delivery day management of their order post purchase?
 
DOC2 said:
I think overall it’s a positive start. I think their feedback gathering problem, if they are looking for active reviews here, is the very nature of the time that they’re on at night will prevent many who post here from watching them live. And I think for most people (least, for me) part of the fun of watching shopping television is to see it live but not at two in the morning on a work day. Being compulsively awful is also another reason I think a lot of us watch, and this channel isn’t that. I also don’t really want to plough through a replay of what they showed the previous night/early hours of the morning. Broadcasting times, also appear to not be consistent, so you don’t really know when it’s going start night on night.

I did watch back a few minutes via their YouTube feed of what they put out earlier. A new presenter to me (somebody called Victoria Norris) presenting skincare stuff with an Eileen from Corrie lookalike. Fast forwarding through the whole of the two hours of broadcasting, it seemed to be devoted to the same type of product, if not the only product. That is a big struggle to capture general interest - particularly at that time of night. Perhaps being new, they have a shortage of items to fill shows still as it has certainly happened before. Unless you are obsessed with skincare products, you are not going to sit there for two hours and watch two people talk about one or two items of a specific type. But hopefully, this is a short term issue, and they will be able to fill their broadcasting time with more items show on show as things progress further. Overall, I think it remains a good start, but I also think they have three huge disadvantages in capturing a wider and loyal buying audience - the time of night they are on, the limited product ranges, and the short transmission times. They also face what all players in this market do. And that is the diminishing market wanting to buy in this ‘old fashioned’ kind of way. How they get around that one is the key to all shopping channels television survival in general, which to me seems unlikely - even for the biggest player within the next 15 to 20 years, when most of the buying market you would imagine there to be has died off. Somebody explain to me why a young buyer would want to purchase a product on this or any other shopping channel by having to tune in at a specific time to see it, and wade through an unwanted preamble, when they can simply click on a major retail player like Amazon, find the same or similar product with it explained to them in seconds. And with a couple more clicks, order it usually for ‘free’ via monthly subscription postage, with hands on, specific delivery day management of their order post purchase?
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I agree with what you've said. None of us have the answer to the survival of shopping TV. I await that with massive curiosity. But ITV are clearly confident (remember they did have a full shopping channel - a joint venture with Littlewoods called 'Shop the value channel') and Ideal World seemed to do well in that slot. It costs a fortune to make shows, even **** ones, so I guess something that earns a few quid is better than nothing. I also think that that slot is 'prime time' for insomniacs and people in from the pub who are likely to make impulse buys. I got the impression from what Hayley was saying that they were going to be Mon-Thurs and Rob Locke over the weekend. No mention of this new person. Rob was jokingly saying if he went on Holiday that Tim Britton would step in. I wonder has something happened? As they never mentioned any others. Where's Shayely?
 
Old Man Steptoe said:
Would never buy anything from either of them.
Sorry Mr Locke they represent everything that was wrong at IW2!
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Neither would I, and not only because of those two and some of the guests (drone bore especially) but the two behind the venture, remember everything that was wrong with IW2, the hard sell lying shyster behaviour originated during the last few years of Ideal Shopping Direct's demise and who was in charge when these tactics came to the fore?

And luckily, although i don't watch STV, Shop on TV is not a program that we get up here on STV anyway.
 
Some weird glitching going on with the YouTube feed, but drone guy is on again so I know the score. I realise the audience will be rotating and get it and hope that a wider variety of things come our way
 
Having watched some of the repeat of today’s output, it looked like they regularly focus the whole of the broadcasting time each night on just one specific product. Unfortunately, however well they present it, (and they certainly had one or two technical issues last night) two hours on this morning’s skin care product for many people is unwatchable - even if you enjoy skincare products, I think you’d want some light and shade with something different for the second hour, say. It’s a pity really, as they’ve got the framework in place for a professional way of presenting items for sale. But to repeat – I can’t watch just one product being sold for that amount of time - whether I enjoy that particular product or not. I’m sure many others would feel the same, but the channel may well be happy for somebody to just dip in for 10 minutes, buy an item and leave. So what they are doing may still work for potential customers who just want to look in briefly and purchase.
 
DOC2 said:
Having watched some of the repeat of today’s output, it looked like they regularly focus the whole of the broadcasting time each night on just one specific product. Unfortunately, however well they present it, (and they certainly had one or two technical issues last night) two hours on this morning’s skin care product for many people is unwatchable - even if you enjoy skincare products, I think you’d want some light and shade with something different for the second hour, say. It’s a pity really, as they’ve got the framework in place for a professional way of presenting items for sale. But to repeat – I can’t watch just one product being sold for that amount of time - whether I enjoy that particular product or not. I’m sure many others would feel the same, but the channel may well be happy for somebody to just dip in for 10 minutes, buy an item and leave. So what they are doing may still work for potential customers who just want to look in briefly and purchase.
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That's a fair point, I don't remember shopping TV of the recent past spending so much time on one item as they all seem to do these days
 
Some comments not meant for on-air at the start of the recorded feed on their YouTube channel. When I got access to the live feed last night it was fairly unwatchable also. Too much time on too few products. Alan Ennis from the old Ideal World doing the same patter on some Swedish plastic air dehumidifier thing. I’ve seen and heard it all before. Other than dehumidifier junkies I can’t think of anybody who would sit there for two hours watching it. Let‘s hope this is not a long-term thing.
 

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