Keeley/PCMC

[Akimbo]

I agree Tink, I'm fairly sure Keeley was advised by Q not to post on here, but since that happened (and a few other presenters and guests stopped posting around the same time) Twitter and Facebook have grown and been courted by qvc and Keeley to promote their businesses. Ele in Tamworth surely profits from the publicity Keeley gets from appearing on QVC but this has come at a price. A professional distance may be difficult to re-establish.

J xx

 

[janie]

i just had a look on fb and what i see is a drama queen and a bunch of sycophants calling us a sad unfulfilled bunch of spiteful ignorant jealous losers among other things. graham, who was gracious enough to post to keeley both here and there is called a hypocrite. all of it not only approved but egged on by queen keeley.

we’re also being accused of victimisation and bullying – puhleassssse!!! do these people even know what the words mean? looking at the spelling and grammar, probably not.

why elemis or qvc would want to be publicly associated with that is beyond me.

one of the most childish displays of abject lack of professionalism i’ve seen.

 

[HoodedClaw]

Graham certainly has not deserved the vile slander he received from Keeley's cronies: when "Skindeep" publicly declared that she felt bullied, he quickly posted a request that she contact him privately.

"Skindeep" chose to post publicly that she has done so, rather than leaving the situation in Graham's hands to be dealt with.

Considering how widely known this issue now is, I have to question "Skindeep"'s logic. This is apparently a serious complaint that has allegedly been referred to the police. Yet rather then let this matter be investigated privately, "Skindeep" has gone out of her way to ensure as many people as possible know what's going on.

And in what can only be a coincidence, Keeley is generating loads of sympathy by going on about it on FB. I don't know about anyone else, but I feel like I've walked into an episode of Dynasty. Or possibly Acorn Antiques

 

[Graham]

I did hear from Keeley today and was asked to erase this thread, I really have thought long and hard and I feel that would be the wrong decision would set a precedent.

I say this everytime this kind of issue is raised, this site is almost 11 years old, yes if I am honest it is not what I imagined it to be, BUT I feel that as long as people put themself in front of the camera then there will always be comments made against them, I have not been backwards in coming forward with my dislikes.

In the past I have removed threads that break sub judice rules, I don't believe in this instance it is the case.

 

[HoodedClaw]

i just had a look on fb and what i see is a drama queen and a bunch of sycophants calling us a sad unfulfilled bunch of spiteful ignorant jealous losers among other things. graham, who was gracious enough to post to keeley both here and there is called a hypocrite. all of it not only approved but egged on by queen keeley.

we’re also being accused of victimisation and bullying – puhleassssse!!! do these people even know what the words mean? looking at the spelling and grammar, probably not.

why elemis or qvc would want to be publicly associated with that is beyond me.

one of the most childish displays of abject lack of professionalism i’ve seen.

Looking at the Elemis page on FB, it looks like people have already started to react to this...

 

[Ballerina]

I hope that "Skindeep" / Keeley will be able to move past this. I feel bad for her if she has been attcked by someone and has had to resort to police involvement, it would, understandably, make her more sensitive to remarks / slights made on any forum.

Inge x

 

[minim]

I hope that "Skindeep" / Keeley will be able to move past this. I feel bad for her if she has been attcked by someone and has had to resort to police involvement, it would, understandably, make her more sensitive to remarks / slights made on any forum.

Inge x

I agree with your statement in part, but Keeley has had a big hand in this all becoming a tad hysterical.
I think she has shot herself in the foot.

 

[loubylou]

i don't know if keeley is stirring things up over on fb as i don't use it but if she is there's no use moaning and complaining over here for some of the comments she's getting you get what you give back don't mean to seem horrible

 

[Ballerina]

Thanks Minim. I agree that she could and perhaps should have handled it differently on here, it was a bit of a knee-jerk.

I just personally feel badly for her that she has had such problems in her life which have caused police involvement. It must be difficult to live in the public eye, I certainly don't envy all of those who do!

Inge xx

 

[RedT]

It amuses me greatly that the irony of calling us forumites 'losers' and 'jealous' etc is completely lost on the FB Elemis fans. We need to get a life apparently yet sitting at your PC defending a skincare brand and it's ambassador at length is apparently a completely healthy way to spend ones time. It's skincare people, it's not life and death. In the broad scheme of things it's really not worth getting ones knickers in a twist over.

I post on here about my opinions on Elemis, I also post on her FB page (usually taking the mick over the ridiculous pre TSV hype and slow reveal of the products but also some positive posts)...does that just make me schizophrenic? Or doubly loser-ish?? I try not to take either forum too seriously, it's a shame not everyone feels the same.

I do think Keeley will be getting a serious talking to for getting involved. I do like Keeley, I don't always quite follow what she's on about but I think ultinately she's very sweet if somewhat misguided. This should all have been left alone or handed over to better trained PR guru's at Elemis to deal with.

Tx

 

[minim]

I just know that whenever ELEMIS is mentioned in the future, I will think of this furore.

 

[Kat73]

As a relatively new forum member I have not posted for a little while because I was appalled at some of the content of certain forum members' posts. A few of them think they are back in the school playground ganging up on whoever the latest "target" is. They are a bit pathetic really, but like any kind of bully they are spurred on by the attention and reactions they receive. Many on here are really nice, though, and I find many of the comments interesting, informative and useful. I started reading it because recovering from surgery and being at home with the kids meant I needed to use QVC/amazon etc for Christmas shopping. But in "real life" I am a lawyer. Believe me there is no "right" to free speech in this country as such. We can speak freely of course, and the Human Rights Act put into effect the European Convention on Human Rights as long as it does not contravene another law. But bullies should watch out for all kinds of laws relating to harassment, defamation, and whilst the internet has provided a shield and a loophole against being sued or prosecuted in the past, things are changing, and laws are being amended all the time to bring the internet into the remit of criminal and civil law.

Yes, comment on a product, a presenting style on here. If something or someone is annoying its ok to say so. But I have read stuff on this forum that DOES amount to cyber-bullying and even harassment in some cases. And before the lynch mob jumps down my throat I will not list the comments to which I refer, because to do so will draw even more attention to their petty little views and fuel the bullies even more. They know who they are, and so does everyone else.

I am not using my real name on here either, and my username bears no correlation to who I am at all. I am not on Facebook, twitter, or any other social networking site, and have no intention of joining one.

Thanks

Em xx

 

[janie]

i must be missing something then because i haven't seen anything even verging on cyber-bullying or harrassment on this forum. i have had experience of it on a few internet forums, including one i still visit where i personally have been called every four letter word you can think of - including that one, just for disagreeing with someone. i've also had a stalker in real life so i know all about harrassment.

99% of the time the forum members here are polite, articulate and pleasant. almost everyone is good humoured and if there is an occasional spat, it never descends into prolonged argument. words are exchanged and that's it. there are many very kind and caring posts if one of us is down.

almost all criticism is done in a 'wicked sense of humour' way rather than being openly vindictive imo. anyone who is criticised is someone who's put themselves in the public eye and they have to be pretty thick-skinned to fight for a job on tv in the first place. even then, the comments will be something like 'omg, why doesn't she stop wearing/saying a b c' not 'she's a f****** b***** who doesn't know the f*** what she is f****** talking about'. i mean really - it is pretty tame on here.

i think the moderation is superb - we know who the mods are (unlike some forums) and by and large they just let us get on with in, posting with us and only intervening on the very odd occasion.

i personally think anyone who thinks this is a 'witch hunt site' as posted on fb is being totally naieve. we don't all like the same things/people which means we have some lively debate but in a civilised and friendly way. long may it continue.

 

[minim]

You lost your argument & your "lawyer" credibility as far as I am concerned Kat73 when you inferred that people on this forum were "bullies"

 

[Kat73]

It wasn't an inference. I was stating a fact. Sometimes some of the posts about people on here do overstep the mark. I am entitled to my opinion about that. I believe my opinion is that some of the comments amount to online bullying. If you don't agree with me then fine, no big deal. But reading some of the other posts there are others who do, but every time they say what they think you make a comment like that! I suppose you can only be bullied if you give. cr*p, do hopefully Keeley, Carmel, JF don't!

 

[Akimbo]

I was seriously bullied when I worked in the NHS by my manager but I wasn't allowed to bandy the word bully with impunity and without evidence to support my complaint. Kat73 did you report the posts that you felt were "bullying" to Graham? That's the appropriate course of action not more name-calling a la playground (to borrow your analogy).

Jude

 

[Kat73]

And although stalking is a form of harassment, the term is not limited to that. Any "course of conduct" (such as online posts) which causes upset, offence or even fear to read a forum) can amount to harassment. It is rare, but given the scale of social networking it is only a matter of time before we hear more about injunctions being granted for it. It is the effect on the recipient that matters, not whether the poster agrees that his or her behaviour amounts to bullying or harassment or not. I will just say this... What is the difference between the teenager who repeatedly posts on the Facebook page that another girl is fat, thin, wears awful clothes, nasty comments designed to make her feel really bad about herself, and what is often said about presenters on here? It's ok to say you don't like something, but then it gets much nastier and more personal sometimes (but not always). That's all.

 

[loveheart]

And although stalking is a form of harassment, the term is not limited to that. Any "course of conduct" (such as online posts) which causes upset, offence or even fear to read a forum) can amount to harassment. It is rare, but given the scale of social networking it is only a matter of time before we hear more about injunctions being granted for it. It is the effect on the recipient that matters, not whether the poster agrees that his or her behaviour amounts to bullying or harassment or not. I will just say this... What is the difference between the teenager who repeatedly posts on the Facebook page that another girl is fat, thin, wears awful clothes, nasty comments designed to make her feel really bad about herself, and what is often said about presenters on here? It's ok to say you don't like something, but then it gets much nastier and more personal sometimes (but not always). That's all.

Good point Kat. Not certain it is bullying but sometimes it is horrible to read. Yes I know I don't have to read it before anyone starts.

 

[Flamenco]

I'm a solicitor by occupation and completely disagree with Kat's "interpretation" of the current criminal law and HRA. I also disagree with her assertion that opinions expressed on this forum amount to harassment within the meaning of a "course of conduct" contained within s2 of the Protection from Harassment Act 1997 (A course of conduct is only one element of the offence, there are others that have to be satisfied for the offence to be made out). I am not going to bore the rest of the forum with a lengthy legal analysis/ diatribe but will state that I have been practising criminal law for 6 years and still do so at present.

 

[BurlyBeaR]

There's a very well known "media watch" website where comments about tv stars, especially reality tv personalities, would make your hair stand on end. It makes what happens here pale into insignificance. Im not saying its a case of "they can bully so we can too" the reason is that what is posted is personal opinion/criticism about what has been broadcast for public consumption. If people don't have a right to comment on that then every newspaper and tv critic would be out of work or in court.

Keeleys FB presence is linked to her tv persona, it is not a private profile. She does have a private one which she says she doesn't use much. However she blurs the lines by posting pics of her children alongside promotion of Elemis products.