Clean & Tidy TSV 23/12/20

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I don’t mind whatever anyone wants to call themselves after all it’s none of my business, but we need men and woman to make more men and women. The majority of mammals have a male and female, nothing wrong with being called either, it’s happened for thousands of years.

It’s all getting weird now and I wonder what world my grandkiddies are growing up in, there was a big furore about putting the picture of a woman on sanitary towels, saying a transgender woman transitioning to be a man can have periods, and some people were saying if you menstruate you’re a woman, if you don’t, you’re not a woman, well I haven’t menstruated since I had a hysterectomy and cervix removed at 28, so am I not a women. Why some people get so worked up over other peoples gender I’ll never know........be who and what you want to be and bugger what anyone else thinks. 👍😃🙏❤️🎁🎄🎁🎄
 
Clothescloth said:
It makes you wonder where it will all end. Have been watching the portrait artist programme on sky arts channel (which has suddenly mysteriously appeared on freeview ) Eddie Izzard was the sitter for the final. Apparently he now identifies as female, wears a dress, so everyone had to refer to him as ‘she’. How cool! ( not) No wonder the youngsters today are all screwed up, having to decide each day what to identify as. Imagine trying that when I was growing up in the 50’s and 60’s!
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We've seen him live twice, the first show was brilliant, the next one was awful because he just kept insulting the audience & it was clearly not part of the script. He can live as he wants, however, when I look at him I remember my reaction when my sister told me that Raymond Burr was a cross-dresser. I said that he would find putting on tights & arranging dresses quite a challenge because of being in a wheelchair at which point everyone started roaring with laughter.
 
shopperholic said:
I don’t mind whatever anyone wants to call themselves after all it’s none of my business, but we need men and woman to make more men and women. The majority of mammals have a male and female, nothing wrong with being called either, it’s happened for thousands of years.

It’s all getting weird now and I wonder what world my grandkiddies are growing up in, there was a big furore about putting the picture of a woman on sanitary towels, saying a transgender woman transitioning to be a man can have periods, and some people were saying if you menstruate you’re a woman, if you don’t, you’re not a woman, well I haven’t menstruated since I had a hysterectomy and cervix removed at 28, so am I not a women. Why some people get so worked up over other peoples gender I’ll never know........be who and what you want to be and bugger what anyone else thinks. 👍😃🙏❤️🎁🎄🎁🎄
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Biologically there are two genders determined by chromosomes, all the other 98 (!) are decided by humans. As long as people are kind & law abiding I'm live & let live. However, what I can't deal with is the bullying PC brigade who shout at us if we ever say something innocently & without malice that isn't the latest terminology. One of the sweetest children I ever taught said 'mixed race' during a lesson taught by a student teacher; I had to be in the room for insurance reasons & shouldn't been involved in the lesson in any way but when she started to shred this boy I literally hissed at her to keep the lesson going & we'd talk about her concerns later. Fortunately the school supported him & this 'aware' person decided teaching wasn't for her, she couldn't see the big picture, she couldn't even see that he was the only Sikh in his year & aged 11 had no idea that the wording was now dual heritage.

SisterBliss said:
showing off? Get his 'profile' up? Just about to release a book about his struggles?
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I find them very dour & the sound they make is nails down an old-fashioned blackboard 🙉
 
Flipping heck how much washing powder are they showing folk use per load.
Gosh we do weekly darks, towels/shower mats, bedding, delicates/hand washing loads, whites, beiges and add in some weeks dog washing but never use that much powder.
 
Twilight said:
We've seen him live twice, the first show was brilliant, the next one was awful because he just kept insulting the audience & it was clearly not part of the script. He can live as he wants, however, when I look at him I remember my reaction when my sister told me that Raymond Burr was a cross-dresser. I said that he would find putting on tights & arranging dresses quite a challenge because of being in a wheelchair at which point everyone started roaring with laughter.
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It`s a good job none of these socially sensitive or politically correct people don`t come across my Mr V. He`d never deliberately offend or discriminate against anybody but at almost 70 and having spent most of his working life down a pit, he simply can`t get to grips with 21st century terminology.
Discrimination or prejudice didn`t exist 3 miles underground and taking the p*ss out of each other was part of the job. As Mr V always says, colour doesn`t exist down a mine, they were ALL black !
A bunch of hairy men would all jump in the same bath and wash each other`s backs and talk of sexuality never existed even though Mr V was more than aware that one of his best pit mates was gay but tried his best to keep it secret which was a sign of the times. That same man is now 72, he and Mr V are still mates still take the p out of each other and his friend is now open about his sexuality and lives with his long term partner. Nobody bats an eyelid.
On the other hand Mr V gets all embarrassed when ads for sanitary products, incontinence pads, viagra, condoms etc come on TV and nothing will persuade him that such things are now openly sold and talked about. He once told me a funny story about the miners strike and the local Miners club used to give out donated supplies to the miners when they were on strike for a year. Many of the donations came from miners from abroad and sometimes they didn`t actually know what was in the tins or packets they were given.
Mr V queued up with other miners for their food aid and a young guy in front of him was examining what was in his bag , turned to the volunteer helper , showed her a box and asked how he cooked the items in the box which had come from Poland. The box contained tampons and the whole queue fell into hysterics.
The miners wives suffered too and items such as sanitary products, soap, toiletries and so on were gratefully accepted.
Anyway Mr V happily drives his taxi nowadays and he still calls a spade a shovel and I guess he always will but strangely enough most of his passengers find it very refreshing and feel they can speak their mind whilst they and Mr V put the world to rights on their drive to wherever.
 
merryone said:
Couldn't agree more! We have a "gender fluid" person at work...He's a guy in his early 50's who's always been a bit strange, for the want of a better word..On his girly days he looks appalling, aunt sally blusher, bright blue eye shadow..pink lipstick...a halloween wig embellished with sparkly butterfly hair clips...yet we had a young lass told off for wearing false eyelashes to work 'cause they were inappropriate and another one told off for wearing the wrong earrings! The world is upside down. I'm sorry if this sounds cruel 'cause it's not the person's fault..it's the pussyfooting around that gets me and one rule for one etc!
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I seriously hope he's not allowed to use women's toilets on his 'girly' days.

I honestly could not give a crap how 'womanly' he feels, unless he gets rid of his manly bits he should NOT be allowed into a woman's toilet. I campaigned with others to stop this pandering to men - which IS what it boils down to - and it appears to have worked (for a while at least).

There are too many opportunities for this opening to 'genders' crap for abuse. Ask my young niece who was flashed by a man in a dress using the 'Ladies' in a shopping centre. Ask women who can't use shared facilities due to religion and ask the young girls who have been 'cammed' by hidden cameras fitted by men or phones poked under doors by men. Not to mention females of all ages who have been physically attacked by men in a women's toilet.

All these attacks have been carried out by men who have been given the opportunity to enter women's facilities. I'm in no way saying all men are like this but just allowing one perve the opportunity is plain wrong. If you're a man who wants to wander around in a dress and aunt Sally makeup, good for you. You look like an utter ***** and dressing up in some parody of a woman does not make you one. But it's a free country do knock yourself out. However, unless you lose your male genitals you need to stay out of women's facilities.
 
If ever you need presenters to have a freebie to show before and after doing a dirty wash cycle
Packet of Nellies I guess doesn’t have the same pull to them as a Dyson, some expensive skin care, Hotel Chocolat, or large set of king size bedding.
 
Well said Alter ! Ask any woman (with breasts/uterus/******/womb) and they would all agree with you. I do wonder how many transitioning to men, actually go into mens' toilets just because they dress like a man ? On another tack, over the years we've had romantic portrayals of intimacy range from the chaste kiss of Brief Encounter, to more graphic displays of grunting and groaning of naked sex by heterosexual couples. Just recently I've signed on to Netflix, and watching How To Get Away with Murder, I've never been so 'exposed' to pillow clutching gay sex, in my life ! Its like watching gay **** - or so I imagine. I'm no prude, but the boundaries appear to be pushing further back, to what ? some unmentionable acts of sex that we now find abhorrent ?

As for Eddie Izzard (I too love Portrait/Landscape Artist), aside from his peculiarities, I find him an excellent actor - his portrayal as the Prince of Wales in Victoria & Abdul was sublime, so he should really strict to acting.
 
brissles said:
Well said Alter ! Ask any woman (with breasts/uterus/******/womb) and they would all agree with you. I do wonder how many transitioning to men, actually go into mens' toilets just because they dress like a man ? On another tack, over the years we've had romantic portrayals of intimacy range from the chaste kiss of Brief Encounter, to more graphic displays of grunting and groaning of naked sex by heterosexual couples. Just recently I've signed on to Netflix, and watching How To Get Away with Murder, I've never been so 'exposed' to pillow clutching gay sex, in my life ! Its like watching gay **** - or so I imagine. I'm no prude, but the boundaries appear to be pushing further back, to what ? some unmentionable acts of sex that we now find abhorrent ?

As for Eddie Izzard (I too love Portrait/Landscape Artist), aside from his peculiarities, I find him an excellent actor - his portrayal as the Prince of Wales in Victoria & Abdul was sublime, so he should really strict to acting.
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Wasn’t the guy that won AMAZING x
 
Vienna said:
It`s a good job none of these socially sensitive or politically correct people don`t come across my Mr V. He`d never deliberately offend or discriminate against anybody but at almost 70 and having spent most of his working life down a pit, he simply can`t get to grips with 21st century terminology.
Discrimination or prejudice didn`t exist 3 miles underground and taking the p*ss out of each other was part of the job. As Mr V always says, colour doesn`t exist down a mine, they were ALL black !
A bunch of hairy men would all jump in the same bath and wash each other`s backs and talk of sexuality never existed even though Mr V was more than aware that one of his best pit mates was gay but tried his best to keep it secret which was a sign of the times. That same man is now 72, he and Mr V are still mates still take the p out of each other and his friend is now open about his sexuality and lives with his long term partner. Nobody bats an eyelid.
On the other hand Mr V gets all embarrassed when ads for sanitary products, incontinence pads, viagra, condoms etc come on TV and nothing will persuade him that such things are now openly sold and talked about. He once told me a funny story about the miners strike and the local Miners club used to give out donated supplies to the miners when they were on strike for a year. Many of the donations came from miners from abroad and sometimes they didn`t actually know what was in the tins or packets they were given.
Mr V queued up with other miners for their food aid and a young guy in front of him was examining what was in his bag , turned to the volunteer helper , showed her a box and asked how he cooked the items in the box which had come from Poland. The box contained tampons and the whole queue fell into hysterics.
The miners wives suffered too and items such as sanitary products, soap, toiletries and so on were gratefully accepted.
Anyway Mr V happily drives his taxi nowadays and he still calls a spade a shovel and I guess he always will but strangely enough most of his passengers find it very refreshing and feel they can speak their mind whilst they and Mr V put the world to rights on their drive to wherever.
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Mr V sounds just like Mr AE.

While I'm happy to see that sexual harassment is now being dealt with (sometimes), I do feel for the older men that still call women 'love' and get pulled up for it. Most of the men a bit older than me are genuinely embarrassed if they're called up on it as it's not meant to offend, it's just something they were brought up with.

Mr AE used to work in a steel works where ribbing and piss-taking banter is normal male-bonding behaviour. A closer group of men who relied on each other to stay safe you would not find. But anyone not used to the way they spoke to each other would be horrified.

Enter a younger 'manager' (didn't know his arse from his elbow when it came to taking charge of working men and, worse, didn't know a thing about the job) who was more concerned with 'cleaning up' the banter than overseeing steel production. He was a nightmare to work for. Even mild swearing would be cause for a disciplinary. The guys lost the will to do the job under those conditions despite having worked decades on 12-hour shifts under horrible conditions. Most left by and got other jobs, leaving younsters who can't be arsed to turn up half the time to take over. No wonder the industry is on its knees.

Don't get me wrong, I've had to put up with every form of sexual harassment in my working (and personal) life, and am extremely happy to see women being taken seriously these days (though it seems to be re-surfacing according to an interesting article in Grazia featuring Jeffrey Toobin a few weeks ago). However, the way some people over-react to banter yet pander to and/or ignore other 'modern' behaviours is ridiculous.
 
Back to the TSV... (I promise no more ranting about misbehaving men that get away with it in every form).

I subscribe to DriPak's emails as they're very informative. They sell soda crystals, bicarb, borax substitute and white vinegar among other things and have info on the site about their products.

Anyone interested in 'natural' cleaning really needs to read their articles as there's serious mis-information about how to use basic products and when/why you should/not mix them. For example, the popular cleaning 'hack' (tip for us oldies!) of using white vinegar and bicarb is a waste of products (apart from impressive foaming reactions) as they cancel each others' properties out due to basic chemical reactions.

It really does make me chuckle when my daughter's friends ooh and ahh over Mrs Hinch as she's just taken a mix of old-fashioned remedies that my nan would use and prettied them up with a few internet myths. Some of her 'advice' is wrong, some of it actually dangerous!

The TSV is a yet another classic example of fool and money being parted by using the fashionable words 'eco-friendly' or 'all-natural'. You can very easily make your own version with store cupboard ingrediets (at least they are in our house) and info from a reputable site like Dri-Pak that's done its chemistry homework properly. I also watched the gushing presentation where the guest is using over twice the amount of standard washing powder than I've ever needed for a huge load against a spoon of the TSV. She's also failed to mention how much you need for different load sizes. Using too much detergent is as bad as using too little. One size does NOT fit all when it comes to laundry loads.

I also use standard washing powder (measured to the load size) and a bit of Napisan on my whites and they're still like new so her towels demo doesn't 'wash' with me either. Keeping your coloureds and whites in separate loads is the key to stopping whites looking grubby like the demo towels. My daughter's friends always comment on how new her white clothes look (she always saves them for me to do!).

I'm really annoyed by Nellie's over-priced crap. A clever businessman has taken peoples' desire to do their bit for the planet and is making money hand-over-fist by putting a very basic and cheap product into pretty packaging.

And £25 for pretty dryer balls? Home Bargains sell a set of three plain wool balls for £3.99. Robbing barstewards!
 
I hate the strong scent that most washing powders have these days.
I use Surcare non bio, it's fragrance free and cleans as well as anything else I've ever tried.

This tsv is well overpriced for what it is.
 
shopperholic said:
Beard and tash? I must need Specsavers, I can only see a shadow, no tash. 😂
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The fact only the bottom lip is lip coloured, the top lip is black and the shadow under the chin gives the impression of an Amish style beard...just thought she looked a little on the masculine side facially!
 
alter ego said:
I seriously hope he's not allowed to use women's toilets on his 'girly' days.

I honestly could not give a crap how 'womanly' he feels, unless he gets rid of his manly bits he should NOT be allowed into a woman's toilet. I campaigned with others to stop this pandering to men - which IS what it boils down to - and it appears to have worked (for a while at least).

There are too many opportunities for this opening to 'genders' crap for abuse. Ask my young niece who was flashed by a man in a dress using the 'Ladies' in a shopping centre. Ask women who can't use shared facilities due to religion and ask the young girls who have been 'cammed' by hidden cameras fitted by men or phones poked under doors by men. Not to mention females of all ages who have been physically attacked by men in a women's toilet.

All these attacks have been carried out by men who have been given the opportunity to enter women's facilities. I'm in no way saying all men are like this but just allowing one perve the opportunity is plain wrong. If you're a man who wants to wander around in a dress and aunt Sally makeup, good for you. You look like an utter ***** and dressing up in some parody of a woman does not make you one. But it's a free country do knock yourself out. However, unless you lose your male genitals you need to stay out of women's facilities.
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He isn't but I think this is more to do with the fact he calls himself "gender fluid" and will come into work as either Arthur or Martha. As far as I'm aware he hasn't asked anyone whether it would be ok. It most certainly wouldn't be ok as a lot of our ladies come to work in their civvies and get changed in the locker room and I know from hypothetical conversations this would be vehemently opposed. The other issue was that he was always the one of the trolley guys, although he is trained on checkouts, but he has stated that when he's female he can't do trollies because they press upon and could damage his "chicken fillets" and they cost a fortune...but he doesn't mind letting an actual female actually hurt her proper ****s by gathering up baskets and pushing trolleys...that's fine, and fine by the company too. The fact the poor soul looks like a flaming freak when dressed up doesn't help matters and the management should be honest and tell them that our female members of staff are not permitted to wear heavy make up, sport outlandish hairstyles, or wear ostentatious jewellery and that they need to dress themselves according to the rules that are in place for everyone. He's always been a bit of an oddball, but a harmless one, don't think that's changed but they most certainly shouldn't be given preferential treatment. The company is good to support him but not pussyfoot and pander around him!
 
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Many, many years ago I was at our nearest shopping mall with our daughter; she was three with all the truthful innocence of that age, she also had a voice that came up from the soles of her feet so when I saw the very badly dressed lady walking towards us I knew that my treasure would comment & that it would be done loudly. She went totally still, just like a pointer, & as this person walked passed us, so we could see that the make up was as poor as the clothes, my little girl called out: "That's not a lady wearing that green dress, it's a man". Unfortunately she repeated this several times, added that this person had walked into M&S & started pulling me towards the entrance so that I could follow. As my dad would say, if you want the truth ask a child even if you want the floor to open up & swallow you!
 

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