General Banter and Random Musings

Muttley said:

I agree Herring. I was surprised at her post but put it down to emotions running high.
If I remember rightly she said we were criticising someone called Evey, I only remember one comment as in a list of names. There was no photo of a theme park with unpleasant comments made (this isn't Facebook or Instagram).

The attitude of righting wrongs - we are not in the public domain in the same way as Facebook. We are just one forum out there amongst thousands.

To my knowledge there was no libellous comments here, just our opinions. They can correct our inaccurate views but slagging the regulars here off isn't the way to do it. Don't forget that we are potential shopping telly customers who could easily share her post with thousands of people if we chose to. I wouldn't think she would want a post written in anger (where she gave her name) to be shared wider which may be seen by a future employer. To be clear I absolutely would not do that, but some people here might.

We wanted the channel to succeed and when there was misleading comments made on air we commented on them here and Alex picked them up and listened to us.

I'm not apportioning blame for the channel's failure, but we weren't responsible for it.

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Evey said:

Hello Evey here, I’ve been told to not comment on here or the read the comments about myself and I thank my friends for trying to protect me.

Call me crazy but of course I came on and read the comments … it was upsetting reading things about myself and the thing that I love doing most and also not having them said to my face. I think I was more frustrated with not being about to have a proper conversation about it and it being all being so one sided.

So to explain my personal social media post about the launch of our new channel. I was at ideal world for 18 years. I started as an assistant floor manager and worked my way up to production manager. After being made redundant I was devastated. Ideal world was incredibly toxic towards the end but you stick around for the people and the people I worked with over those 18 years were basically my family. I spent the next 8 months being told by the media industry (magazine, digital, social, tv, film) that I didn’t have the relevant experience which was extremely frustrating. A lot of my friends were also having the same problems.

Fast forward and due to some success on social media I get the opportunity to be the part of a new tv channel and I was so excited. We managed to pull this all together in such a short space of time. Of course I wanted to make a point of what my part in this had played after being told I wasn’t capable for so many months.

You may think what does a tv producer and a tv shopping guest know about starting a new channel? But past business men with loads of knowledge in “business” have tried, failed and also come under heavy criticism from this forum alone.

My vision was a place where everyone could win - staff would be happy, presenters were happy, customers would be happy and suppliers were also happy - there’s enough space in business for everyone to win.

Completely guilty of going into this completely naive of the scale of this, but go into it I did. I was hired to do this job and so I was going to do everything in my power to make it happen.

Yes, money was always going to be a factor. We had no external investor so everything was always done with this in mind.

We have always acted with our staff and customers at the forefront of our decision making. This is the primary reason we had to go to tape in the first instance. You may remember a post by Simon the night before launch where our cameras broke. Since then, it has literally been like a house of cards. Technical issues with no explanation happening every day, so much so that we’ve had to get some external help to figure out how and what has all happened.

Orders are still being fulfilled, I’ve been on our Facebook answering what questions I can and invoices are getting and going to get paid. The majority of our team were freelance and they all started knowing we were a startup.

Thank you to my friends who came on here to defend me and the channel. Like I said, we all in this industry, very much feel like a family and when your family is attacked, you attack back.

I’m sorry this was a long post but I really wanted to come on here and say my piece. For my mental health and my sanity, I probably won’t come back and read for a bit. However, if people would like an adult conversation telling me where I went wrong to my face rather than behind a computer screen, you either have my number or know someone who has my number.

Evey xxx

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pavey1234 said:

Not sure where I’ve written anything slagging off regulars / blaming anyone, I’ve written exactly the opposite regarding blame; and I apologise if I offended any regulars, that wasn’t my intention. Of course emotions are running high for everyone involved, we were all hoping for the best. The frustration isn’t with the regulars providing comments and feedback on output, that’s always welcome, the issue is with the few people speaking poorly and or personally about those involved. And please no one worry about my future employment or that I’ve given my name, it’s not a concern for me so shouldn’t be for anyone else, working 8 years in an industry means my name is known across the board already, as is everyones within these channels.

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Jazzydrury said:

I have Multiple Disabilities to a point I’m in a position, where I mainly just sit in front of my IPad all day, All the posts yesterday I found distressing, But they don’t give a ****

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Jazzydrury said:

I have Multiple Disabilities to a point I’m in a position, where I mainly just sit in front of my IPad all day, All the posts yesterday I found distressing, But they don’t give a ****

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Evey said:

The majority of our team were freelance and they all started knowing we were a startup.

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The Insider said:

Although it is welcoming to see you post under your own name this time, do you not realise how insulting that statement is to those who trusted you and Simon to have more business acumen than to think you would make sufficient sales from day 1 to keep bank rolling such huge running costs?

Do you think they would have all joined you if you had been upfront about the lack of cash reserves? From those I've spoken to, the answer is no.

It is also my understanding that the majority of the team were freelance because that was the only option you offered them, minimum risk for Seen on TV and maximum risk for the individuals.

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Jazzydrury said:

We were getting the blame when they should be looking at Facebook and Insta

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Dr Quincy MkII said:

Yes I skimmed over the facebook stuff, I think it was relating to a post that Simon Isles made on his Facebook where he is posing with a giant model dinosaur at some theme park or garden centre. That was never on here and did confuse me as some folks were conflating facebook and the forum

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Duke of Cheese said:

What a thread. Rollercoaster ride of shopping tensions, emotions and aggravations. From the brave and dashing Captain Knowles carrying his sabre knife set over the Nottingham retail trenches, to shadowy insiders, to more people from the industry dramatically revealing themselves. Could be Shopping Telly- The Plinkety Plonkety Musical, so dramatic it has it been. All I wanted was a decent to watch shopping channel with fair price comparisons. I thought we had one with this one. Then, just like that, it was gone. Incredibly sad. Good luck to all who’ve been involved.

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Duke of Cheese said:

What a thread. Rollercoaster ride of shopping tensions, emotions and aggravations. From the brave and dashing Captain Knowles carrying his sabre knife set over the Nottingham retail trenches, to shadowy insiders, to more people from the industry dramatically revealing themselves. Could be Shopping Telly- The Plinkety Plonkety Musical, so dramatic it has it been. All I wanted was a decent to watch shopping channel with fair price comparisons. I thought we had one with this one. Then, just like that, it was gone. Incredibly sad. Good luck to all who’ve been involved.

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Herring said:

And one thing I would mention to the throwaways to catch on to is, as @Duke of Cheese puts it: "We take the rise on here of the genre in general".

Grab yer thesaurus and look up: hyperbole, banter, silly, satire, aping (tropes and conventions), etc.

There was a guy who came on here many moons ago in the IW sub-forum who just could not grasp that most of us are not super serious. Most of us are not angry. Most of us aren't miserable (well, not until the goods arrive heh). Most of us* do not spend all day watching, thinking, or obsessing over selly telly. We flick over during ad breaks, we have it on for background noise during the ironing (Polti, obviously), or dip in out of habit for a few minutes every other day. Then we come here for the banter and the levity in observing how ridiculous the microcosm of selly telly can be.

It's honestly not as life and death to us as people who visit for the first time think it is.

Also, do keep in mind that as this is a forum for discussing selly telly it WILL seem like it's all we talk about is selly telly by virtue of the fact …it's a forum for discussing selly telly.

*Except Muriel.

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MurielB said:

Thank you for the mention dear, but I do not watch Ideal World all the time. I do watch it a lot but I think some of you watch it more than me. I just enjoy buying things I like when I see them for me and my family.
I did see some of the new shopping channel and it is a shame if they have closed down so soon from what I have just read here.
But I like Ideal World and will stay with them if I see something I like.

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Herring said:

Ah, that's actually really great to hear! I'm glad they were able to go back to their old jobs.

For me, it was always the crew, Alex, and (after today's shenanigans, only some of) the BTS staff I felt a real gut hit for after the channel fell off air. Awful, but a bit like ripping a band-aid off, it was at least fast. Hopefully, all those lured away from regular/stable work can slot back in where they were, or at least find something comparable quickly.

Unrelated:

Does anyone know if Paul Becque was going to appear at some point? I could've sworn he was mentioned in some of the earlier posts as being part of the presenting team, but he wasn't there on launch day. I've always liked Paul. He seems nice, and while he could be a bit annoying at times on IW2 - KLAXON SOUNDS - always incredibly fun to watch.

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