Quartzite Jade REALLY!

[lizdelassa]

I was always under the impression, and this is very basic and up for correction, that quartz was quartz and quartzite was quartz with sand in it's makeup. Aka, sandstone of sorts.

I bought quartzite jade from them years ago when they sold it as Chinese Jade. I still gave a tonne, snd an apology, I even discussed it as part of my degree. I wonder if my quartzite jade is now worth something? Maybe I'll make some of my money back. Lol

 

[gems]

I bought quartzite jade from them years ago when they sold it as Chinese Jade. I still gave a tonne, snd an apology, I even discussed it as part of my degree. I wonder if my quartzite jade is now worth something? Maybe I'll make some of my money back. Lol

Unfortunately not Quartzite is Quartz but it is not Jade there are only 2 Jades Nephrite and Jadeite a stone can be given the name Jade loosely as its carvable Trading Standards are dealing with it

 

[gems]

Unfortunately not Quartzite is Quartz but it is not Jade there are only 2 Jades Nephrite and Jadeite a stone can be given the name Jade loosely as its carvable Trading Standards are dealing with it

The certificate shows what is Jade very rare Maw-Sit-Sit

 

[gems]

He's been reported to the Advertising Standards Authority numerous times for this very claim - but as of yet, they've failed to take action on this one.

I strongly urge you to also report it to the ASA too then multiple reports might get something done about it.

It's misleading and, potentially, fraud too because its obtaining money by deception.

I have reported them to Trading Standards I have found they don't do much but nor do Trading Standards.

 

[gems]

Hi. I'm a gemmologist, qualified with the Gemmological Association of Great Britain over twenty years ago. I stumbled across this thread while searching for something else.

It's unlikely that the Advertising Standards Authority will do anything about any such complaints for two reasons: firstly, jade is not at all well understood in the West, and secondly, the very term 'jade' is an umbrella term for a number of materials.

It used to be (broadly speaking) just jadeite and nephrite, but recently other materials have been deemed to have characteristics that qualify them for a place under that umbrella, too. Dulong jade is one of these 'new jade' materials (a quartz-based material formerly called Du Long Yu) not always considered a jade. But now it is. Similarly with quartzite, and specifically that from Burma - which, since 2013, laboratories in the East have begun to certify as a jade.

Now, challenging that will be difficult as the East understands jade far better than ANY laboratory in the west. I'm aware on at least one Gemporia customer who (like you) was suspicious, and took her purchases for independent testing at a very well-respected Western laboratory, where they were independently confirmed as jade (at considerable cost to that customer).

It helps if you understand that gemmology is not a science that can always give answers in absolute terms, and traditional gemstone definitions are changing as the ability to test becomes more advanced.

Yes Jade is a term given what you call your umbrella it's a term to give to carvable stones that have not been they have said it is Jade even though there are only two jade jadeite Nephrite, but they are trying to say there are 3 J types Jadeite, Nephrite, Quartzite, and Quartzite is not Jadeite people are going to question that. You can't sell something with your umbrella term that would make them all Jade or Jadeite people have the right when buying Quartzite it is a totally different stone, and think that fairness should be given people have sent Jade or Jadeite off to be tested there is the duty of Trading Standards to give.
ent type of stone. Jadeite is a rare gemstone that can be used in jewelry, while quartzite is sometimes used as a substitute for jade.

Jadeite:

• Rarity: Jadeite is a rare gemstone.
  
  
• Color: Jadeite can be many colors, including white, green, blue, purple, and black.
  
  
• Transparency: Jadeite can be opaque, semi-transparent, or almost transparent.
  
  
• Value: The most valuable jadeite is known as "imperial jade" and is a rich emerald green color.
  
  
• Texture: Jadeite has a smooth, even texture.
  
  
• Cut: Jadeite is often sold by the piece, not by weight.
  
  
• Symbolism: Jadeite symbolizes good luck, prosperity, and success.
  

Quartzite:

• Composition: Quartzite is a different type of stone than jadeite.
  
  
• Dyeing: Quartzite is sometimes dyed to look like jade.
  
  
• Identifying: You can hold up a stone to the light to see if there are dye lines running through it.

 

[TheManWithNoName]

Jadeite is a rare gemstone

It really isn't. People have just been led to believe that it is.

Only the finest quality Jadeite is rare. Again, just like Diamonds.

 

[AndyW]

It really isn't. People have just been led to believe that it is.

Only the finest quality Jadeite is rare. Again, just like Diamonds.

The comparison with diamonds is totally apposite. Like diamonds, it's 100% all about the hype.

Jadeite is not rare. It never has been. There are carvings in museums from 1,000-600 BC. Pieces from c18th are available on the kosher, fully certified market, some of which aren't as expensive as you might assume but, of course, as any auctioneer will tell you, age is not rarity.

Found in nearly all the colours of the spectrum, so-called Imperial Green translucent pieces are the most expensive because - for a lot of people - the colour is extremely attractive. A high-domed cabochon, with a translucency that makes the stone appear to glow, beautifully set can command silly prices and rival the finest Boucheron emeralds, for example. When that level of material is well carved, the prices sky rocket.

Like diamonds in Africa, Jadeite is big in China because that side of the geological planet has plenty of it, the Chinese have always liked it, with their culture and ancient history and - frankly - astonishing carving skills. For the Chinese, the finest Jadeite apparently comes from that geological region we now call Myanmar. The volume of pieces available today is just a factor of the size of the Chinese population and the leaps forward with machine technology. A hand-carved piece of landscape Jadeite from c17th or older is always going to be more desirable than a modern piece offered by David Troth. A Georgian diamond ring is always going to be more desirable than a modern piece offered by Gemporia.

Personally, the stuff that David Troth sells - even the intricately carved discs - don't interest me. I don't really understand it. Those bangles that Ellis loves so much cannot be desirable - I think they're no better than polished mineral specimens. And at £300 a pop? The Western market really doesn't "get" Jadeite like the Chinese do and David & Harry Jewels probably won't be shifting the market with what they're offering.

I can't be seduced by the idea you're "getting in early" with what he's flogging. I could be seduced by a piece like this ring but I don't have $88,000 in a sock drawer!

 

[TheManWithNoName]

Jadeite is not rare. It never has been.

This applies to most gemstones, really. They've been around for thousands of years - and will continue to be around for hundreds, if not thousands, of years after we're long gone.

I've used this line many times on here, but I firmly believe it: "If you've heard of it, chances are it's not rare."

People know the names Emerald, Sapphire, Aquamarine, Diamond, etc., because they’re so common - everyone has heard of them.

But if you mention something like Bixbite, Painite, or Pezzottaite to the average person, they'll probably look at you blankly because they've never heard of it. Why? Because retailers don’t stock it - there’s so little material available.

It took me ten years to find a good-quality Benitoite of a reasonable size and price. That’s how rare it is. If I’d wanted something similar in, say, Tanzanite, I could look online and find one within a couple of hours at most.

The words 'rare,' 'precious,' 'semi-precious,' and 'valuable' are thrown around far too often in the jewellery and gemstone industry. In reality, very few things in the market truly deserve these labels.

To put things into perspective for people that want a comparison as to what is rare and what is 'rare', here's some examples:

Benitoite - Approximately 300 carats are mined each year. Individual stones over 0.75 carats are incredible rare.
Painite - Only a few kilograms are mined each year.
Bixbite - Only a few tens of carats of gem-quality Bixbite are mined each year.

Compare those to:

Diamonds - Approximately 120 to 150 million carats (24 to 30 tonnes) of diamonds are mined globally each year.
Jadeite - tens of thousands of tonnes are mined each year.
Tanzanite - Around 1 to 2 million carats of Tanzanite are mined each year.


I always find it quite humorous when Troth and co. claim that a stone they've been selling almost daily for around four years is 'rare.'

We've been hearing that Tanzanite is 'rare' and 'almost depleted' for 15+ years - yet it still appears on screens almost every day. In the real world, 1 to 2 million carats are mined each year, and experts predict there is still enough material in the mines to last another 40 years. That doesn’t sound very rare or 'almost depleted' to me.

The whole industry is a shambles.