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Well, well, well. A review for the Greed aftershave

‘Had high hopes for this to last longer than an Eau Du Toilette, but it is actually difficult to smell it straight from the bottle. Not sure if I had a duff example but this is so weak not worth using.’

Not surprising to all us Forum members 🤣
 
Found this review of Ideal World from Trust Pilot. I bet it’s for the vacuum cleaner with the HEPA FILTER that Peter Von Claptrap gushes over

‘I purchased Item Number 1004818 from you. Upon using it it was not sucking up hardly anything from my carpet. I returned it to you and you stated that the product show's signs of use. Of cause it did, I had to use it to find out it was not working properly. I called Ideal World and was treated very rudly, they informed me that in their records that it was working but in the letter I was sent it says it DOES NOT say that. I asked to speak to a superviser and he was even ruder, he would not let me speak and then hung the phone up on me. In the letter I was sent it gives a phone number to call back. The number was 0800 151 12345 this number does not work. I am very upset about this and will contact the Obisman is I have to. I will be leaving a negative responce about Ideal world. You should be ashamed of your Company if this is the way you treat you customers.’
I have it on good authority that IW will soon start selling a mattress with a very impressive 1,000 night sleep trial, yep, almost 3 years!!!

Ok, you're not allowed to actually sleep on it, even with the plastic cover still on, but hey let's not split hairs guys!
 
Your comment about these watches being unlikely to last five years is interesting. I've never bought a decent watch, just fashion watches. I've got 8 of them in my jewellery box although only wear 2 regularly, one with a gold coloured strap and one silver. A couple of them are from M&S and cost around £40.

I've had many of them for years and they all work. I just take them to Timpson for a new battery, generally £20 for a year guarantee or £30 for a lifetime one - they just replace them for free.
Hi Muttley! Thank you for being interested. I’m referring, in the first instance, really to the IW automatic watches -their ‘bread and butter brands’. These invariably (not so much the VE ones and one or two others) are made with exceptionally cheap Chinese mechanisms, fitted in press-fit plastic spacers (so they can fit different case sizes). These mechanisms are made of stamped parts, assembled to meet a very low price, often complete with tool marks and hairs (which can easily stop a watch), usually vastly over-lubricated (the lubricants in any watch dry up and turn to black gunk over time, so too much can stop a watch).
A Swiss watch will have a mainspring made of pretty exotic metals - and no wonder as they often have to power a mechanism beating at 28,800 beats per hour. Their Chinese equivalents are made to the budget (it’s not that the Chinese can’t do great work of high quality - of course they can, but no one can, at the prices they are being paid).
All automatic watches need a service every 5 years or so. And at that point the cost of the service on a cheap Chinese made mechanism will often be more than the mechanism warrants. Oftentimes I could source a brand new mechanism and I usually charged a small sum to just drop it in (fit it) and test it. But not always. A full service would involve dismantling it completely, cleaning everything, replacing the mainspring, the crystal, and any worn parts, and reassembly, timing and adjustment.
Quartz watches are different. They have vastly fewer moving parts, and can therefore last longer without TLC. Essentially, the quartz mineral when excited by a battery has a fixed vibration frequency. Count 32768 vibrations (you just need a counting circuit) and you have a very accurate measure of a second. And 32768 per second gives better accuracy even than 28,800 per hour.
But any watch will need a service at some point- even a quartz one. Some will gamely struggle on, fighting against friction, but a service will bring it back like new - and costs less than for an automatic.

IW did sell some real, quality, Swiss brands in one of their incarnations - I remember Eterna (who invented the automatic winding mechanism) at one time. They could try that again - and then they really would have a decent product to match their claims.
As Hammy says, if all IW claimed was that they are selling fashion watches to last a few years until you get bored and fancy a change, and at a reasonable price - perhaps, say twice the Ali Express price to allow for having to give guarantees, then I’d not be the least upset. It’s all the talk of heirlooms, and selling them at a profit. I think they have a responsibility to their (sometimes vulnerable) shoppers. But, it seems, they don’t. They aren’t the only ones, and they aren’t the first - shopping tv has always been aware of the potential profit they can make from them. But it leaves a sour taste.

Sorry to have gone on. I promise not to ramble so much next time!
And IW. We don’t want you to lose, or to go bust. We just want you to be a bit better!
 
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Hi Muttley! Thank you for being interested. I’m referring, in the first instance, really to the IW automatic watches -their ‘bread and butter brands’. These invariably (not so much the VE ones and one or two others) are made with exceptionally cheap Chinese mechanisms, fitted in press-fit plastic spacers (so they can fit different case sizes). These mechanisms are made of stamped parts, assembled to meet a very low price, often complete with tool marks and hairs (which can easily stop a watch), usually vastly over-lubricated (the lubricants in any watch dry up and turn to black gunk over time, so too much can stop a watch).
A Swiss watch will have a mainspring made of pretty exotic metals - and no wonder as they often have to power a mechanism beating at 28,800 beats per hour. Their Chinese equivalents are made to the budget (it’s not that the Chinese can’t do great work of high quality - of course they can, but no one can, at the prices they are being paid).
All automatic watches need a service every 5 years or so. And at that point the cost of the service on a cheap Chinese made mechanism will often be more than the mechanism warrants. Oftentimes I could source a brand new mechanism and I usually charged a small sum to just drop it in (fit it) and test it. But not always. A full service would involve dismantling it completely, cleaning everything, replacing the mainspring, the crystal, and any worn parts, and reassembly, timing and adjustment.
Quartz watches are different. They have vastly fewer moving parts, and can therefore last longer without TLC. Essentially, the quartz mineral when excited by a battery has a fixed vibration frequency. Count 32768 vibrations (you just need a counting circuit) and you have a very accurate measure of a second. And 32768 per second gives better accuracy even than 28,800 per hour.
But any watch will need a service at some point- even a quartz one. Some will gamely struggle on, fighting against friction, but a service will bring it back like new - and costs less than for an automatic.

IW did sell some real, quality, Swiss brands in one of their incarnations - I remember Eterna (who invented the automatic winding mechanism) at one time. They could try that again - and then they really would have a decent product to match their claims.
As Hammy says, if all IW claimed was that they are selling fashion watches to last a few years until you get bored and fancy a change, and at a reasonable price - perhaps, say twice the Ali Express price to allow for having to give guarantees, then I’d not be the least upset. It’s all the talk of heirlooms, and selling them at a profit. I think they have a responsibility to their (sometimes vulnerable) shoppers. But, it seems, they don’t. They aren’t the only ones, and they aren’t the first - shopping tv has always been aware of the potential profit they can make from them. But it leaves a sour taste.

Sorry to have gone on. I promise not to ramble so much next time!
And IW. We don’t want you to lose, or to go bust. We just want you to be a bit better!
That's really interesting and it shows how complicated the subject is. If you are supposedly selling high quality watches you can't bluff your way through the presentation. Which is what they do seven days a week and twice on Sundays (to quote Ofthemasons).

It would do the presenters good to read this and the discussions between you and their favourite customer Hammy.

Watches are always being sold on IW and also Bid TV way back then. Every single one is the best watch they have ever sold, you just have to have it (bragging rights etc) and they sell dozens of them. Mike devastated because he might not get a chance to buy one as those pesky customers are snapping them up so quickly. Even at the lower cost of £200 they could be a considered purchase, we're not talking about a £20 Tansy skirt. I would be a bit miffed if I'd bought one of these £1000 investment pieces they claimed was the best one they've ever sold, then 2 days later they repeat the same guff about another watch. I'll stick to my cheap fashion watches for now, but if I do decide to buy a better quality watch I'll know who to speak to for advice.

My main issue with them is when someone buys a defunct brand and IW link it with the original company, "you've got 100 years of experience". This is a general thing, not just watches. And of course, when they mention Switzerland when selling watches. Or, its as good as that very famous brand, you know the one" (hinting at Rolex). But we get that with handbags too (you know watches, I know handbags). Peter comparing a cheap plastic handbag with "the one that sells for over £1000" (meaning Mulberry). When in fact the bag is perfectly reasonable for what it is. But if he sells it as a cheap and cheerful extra bag to refresh your outfit he won't get customers hysterically foaming at the mouth rushing to their phones as he would if he compares it to a stupidly expensive one.

And you didn't ramble, you explained it in detail!
 
And IW. We don’t want you to lose, or to go bust. We just want you to be a bit better!

If their selling methods don't change quite significantly, I wouldn't lose any sleep over their demise, other than for the genuine hard working folk behind the scenes.

Blatant stretching of the truth, misinformation, sometimes outright lies.
 
That's really interesting and it shows how complicated the subject is. If you are supposedly selling high quality watches you can't bluff your way through the presentation. Which is what they do seven days a week and twice on Sundays (to quote Ofthemasons).

Not defending them but I would assume some of the info can get rather technical, so easy to get it wrong or muddled up when doing the pitch. If they had a presenter that only did watch shows then maybe more info could be included.

Watches are always being sold on IW and also Bid TV way back then. Every single one is the best watch they have ever sold, you just have to have it (bragging rights etc) and they sell dozens of them. Mike devastated because he might not get a chance to buy one as those pesky customers are snapping them up so quickly. Even at the lower cost of £200 they could be a considered purchase, we're not talking about a £20 Tansy skirt. I would be a bit miffed if I'd bought one of these £1000 investment pieces they claimed was the best one they've ever sold, then 2 days later they repeat the same guff about another watch. I'll stick to my cheap fashion watches for now, but if I do decide to buy a better quality watch I'll know who to speak to for advice.

I'd be interested to see the actual figures they sell, rather than just what the presenters allude to.

The tactics they use on price and how many they have left to sell somewhat reminds me of the ones used by salesmen for alarms, double glazing, etc, that used to feature on shows like Watchdog. Must buy today to get this deal, ringing the boss to get the price down, etc.

I personally would put a good chunk of them in the considered purchase category. We did see some brands with models below £100, some well below that actually, but that doesn't seem to be the case now.

My main issue with them is when someone buys a defunct brand and IW link it with the original company, "you've got 100 years of experience". This is a general thing, not just watches. And of course, when they mention Switzerland when selling watches.

Is that IW adding that info or the vendors pushing it?

Plenty of brands out there not owned by the original company. Beldray and Tower in housewares. In sportswear, Kangol, Slazenger, Lonsdale to name a couple.

The watches though drive me nuts, using a name of some long-dead guy who made a clock or something and making it sound like they started a company then and its been running since,

And you didn't ramble, you explained it in detail!

+1 to that.
 
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Not defending them but I would assume some of the info can get rather technical, so easy to get it wrong or muddled up when doing the pitch. If they had a presenter that only did watch shows then maybe more info could be included.
They could easily have the more technical details/specification of their items (including watches) scrolling along the bottom of the screen during the presentation, or direct viewers to a technical specification sheet on their website, that has more than just high level detail.

Where there's a will there's a way ;)
 
Found this review of Ideal World from Trust Pilot. I bet it’s for the vacuum cleaner with the HEPA FILTER that Peter Von Claptrap gushes over

‘I purchased Item Number 1004818 from you. Upon using it it was not sucking up hardly anything from my carpet. I returned it to you and you stated that the product show's signs of use. Of cause it did, I had to use it to find out it was not working properly. I called Ideal World and was treated very rudly, they informed me that in their records that it was working but in the letter I was sent it says it DOES NOT say that. I asked to speak to a superviser and he was even ruder, he would not let me speak and then hung the phone up on me. In the letter I was sent it gives a phone number to call back. The number was 0800 151 12345 this number does not work. I am very upset about this and will contact the Obisman is I have to. I will be leaving a negative responce about Ideal world. You should be ashamed of your Company if this is the way you treat you customers.’
Shocking makes me suspicious of buying anything from them
 
Peter at full ******** mode.

Jean Paul gets a mention.


British watchmaker

Not a watchmaker

Gresham have a great heritage, have been going for well over 100 years.

They’ve no heritage the brand has only been going about 2 years, Parent company Peers Hardy have been on the go since 1978.

They used to do tradition gents classics.

Nope, they’ve only done one watch to date, the one you're selling.

Gresham designed watch

Nope, rebadge Bonest Gatti.
Oh dear! Hammy you’ve just ruined my day. I’ve just bought a famous British brand watch which has been going since 1881. It’s stamped Lyles Golden Syrup.
The collector who lives in the Cotswolds (can’t recall his name) told me it is a heritage brand and the oldest British brand that’s still around.

I now suspect its been rebadged..so if Lyles Golden Syrup aren’t watch makers what is it that they do,I wonder?

They could easily have the more technical details/specification of their items (including watches) scrolling along the bottom of the screen during the presentation, or direct viewers to a technical specification sheet on their website, that has more than just high level detail.

Where there's a will there's a way ;)
Aha but who said there’s a ‘will’?
 
Oh dear! Hammy you’ve just ruined my day. I’ve just bought a famous British brand watch which has been going since 1881. It’s stamped Lyles Golden Syrup.
The collector who lives in the Cotswolds (can’t recall his name) told me it is a heritage brand and the oldest British brand that’s still around.

I now suspect its been rebadged..so if Lyles Golden Syrup aren’t watch makers what is it that they do,I wonder?

Maybe its a one-off watch custom made from a repurposed Lyles Golden Syrup tin, best put it on your insurance.
 

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