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Presenters wearing the best watches to appear on the channel!. Sums it up really for me. Making out they lived similar lives to the punters with their analogies, and if their wrists are anything to go by, living completely different ones, at least in a financial sense.

I have three or four decent watches - Tudor, a Breitling Top Time, a Rado and a Tag. I also have a Vostok watch I bought from Ideal World a few years back (Lunokhod 2). I actually really like that watch and it has yet to let me down. Of all the brands I saw featured on the channel, Vostok Europe‘s watches, I found the most pleasing on the eye.

Again..it was all about buy as I say and not as I do with the presenters in general. With their fancy watches, but eulogising on camera over watches they wouldn’t be seen dead wearing off it. The hypocrisy of it all remains staggering to me.
 
The Duke of Cheese said:
Presenters wearing the best watches to appear on the channel!. Sums it up really for me. Making out they lived similar lives to the punters with their analogies, and if their wrists are anything to go by, living completely different ones, at least in a financial sense.

I have three or four decent watches - Tudor, a Breitling Top Time, a Rado and a Tag. I also have a Vostok watch I bought from Ideal World a few years back (Lunokhod 2). I actually really like that watch and it has yet to let me down. Of all the brands I saw featured on the channel, Vostok Europe‘s watches, I found the most pleasing on the eye.

Again..it was all about buy as I say and not as I do with the presenters in general. With their fancy watches, but eulogising on camera over watches they wouldn’t be seen dead wearing off it. The hypocrisy of it all remains staggering to me.
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Go on now, Duke, be honest, you're really Gordon, aren't you? 😁

Hmmm, each to his/her own; taste is clearly in the eye of the beholder; apart from peehaps the simpler Rocket N1 & Almaz I find the VE watches awful, oversized, overpriced monstrosities!

I'd rather just buy the Seiko/Citizen movements; I don't want a thick cylinder on my wrist, destroying my cuffs/wrists, lol.

Was reading that Tudor is owned by Rolex and contains many of the same components and manufacturing qualities of the Rolex timepieces and even made on the same production lines, but cheaper. Sounds like my kind of quality, value brand!
 
Hammy60 said:
Really bad. The channel doesn't even show in full SD anyway (544x576 instead of 720x576), bitrate 1 to 3 mb/s, in other wards utter crap.
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As per the Janice infomercial mid-programme inserts, if you watch via the C&C website live streams, they're in HD, and via ch85 red button internet smart TV stream. I guess you're referring to Freeview 85 and Freesat/Sky/cam cable broadcast channels.
 
PhaedrusR said:
"...Gordon bought his first watch from Ideal World in early 2020 — and has since acquired a further 89, for a spend of about £45,000..."

Covid has a lot to answer for!

P.S. J.Bordelll... and... E.Boydell. Coincidence?! 😲
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And I absolutely promise you that if he brings them to me for servicing (and I expect no one has told him that they’d ever need servicing) I’ll have to drop in new movements or bin them as the parts for most won’t be available.
Total value will be around £1000 or so for the lot. And that’s probably optimistic.
It’s shameful, really, what these channels have done. To think that for that, he could’ve bought some real investment pieces that would have appreciated in value.
 
PhaedrusR said:
Possibly the few Valjoux's from avi-8 and Matthey-Tissot ? Although they were overpriced at £1.5k+ to begin with compared to USA/online you pointed me to. Do they increase or at least stay static? And think somebody mentioned they sold an Omega or other proper mid end brand, tag or other on IW at some point? Are Omegas a good investment. What watch is?
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The Swiss brands they sell will generally lose around half to a quarter of their value overnight, unless they are something more than just ‘stock’ (which none of them are). Some will then slowly climb in value at or about the rate of inflation, simply because new ones gradually cost so much more.
The chinese brands don’t really have a value. Maybe £10 or so each. Sorry, but that’s just how it is.
Omegas hold their value quite well, and some limited editions will go up in value. Rolex will generally appreciate quite a bit just after purchase, for many models, because Rolex have started keeping supply restricted. That said, unless it’s a very desirable model, they then only climb at or about the rate of inflation.
something like an A Lange & Sohne will appreciate rapidly after sale, and Pateks generally do well, as well.

But the inside track on even Swiss watches is that most of them are not investment-worthy. But at least I can work on them and keep them running, practically forever. I’d very much doubt any of IW’s Chinese brands will still be working even in 10-15 years.
 
The Duke of Cheese said:
Presenters wearing the best watches to appear on the channel!. Sums it up really for me. Making out they lived similar lives to the punters with their analogies, and if their wrists are anything to go by, living completely different ones, at least in a financial sense.

I have three or four decent watches - Tudor, a Breitling Top Time, a Rado and a Tag. I also have a Vostok watch I bought from Ideal World a few years back (Lunokhod 2). I actually really like that watch and it has yet to let me down. Of all the brands I saw featured on the channel, Vostok Europe‘s watches, I found the most pleasing on the eye.

Again..it was all about buy as I say and not as I do with the presenters in general. With their fancy watches, but eulogising on camera over watches they wouldn’t be seen dead wearing off it. The hypocrisy of it all remains staggering to me.
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I absolutely love Tudor. If ever a brand were likely to hold its value and modestly appreciate, it’s Tudor.
 
Hammy60 said:
Don't remember them ever having Omegas, although an omega did feature in quite a few shows despite Mason's valiant efforts to keep it hidden. :ROFLMAO:
In fact, we've had quite a few big Swiss brands on IW, just not for sale, Simon Iles - Rolex Yachtmaster II, David Fabro - Rolex Submariner, Peter V - Rolex Submariner, Shaun Crawley - Longines Hydroconquest, Sally - Cartier Santos, Den - Cartier Santos, Shona - Cartier Santos.

The only brand they have had on a show was Eterna, the few Tags they had only featured for a short time on their web site.
Gordon may have purchased an Eterna, but pretty sure the tags were already gone by the time he started collecting in 2020, they briefly appeared shortly after James Martin took over in 2018.

As to keeping value, Omegas will certainly keep their value better than anything that's appeared on IW, but even Omegas lose their value, just not as quickly. Very, very few watches keep their value or increase in valve. And of course another problem is, as you've alluded to, if you've bought your watch at a higher price too start with, then you see an even bigger drop in re-sale value.
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Spot on as always, Hammy.
And even then, IW only offered Eterna just after Eterna was purchased by the Chinese owners of Rotary and Dreyfuss. It’s very sad to see Eterna’s product offering now- even the movement they were working on as a base competitor to the ETA2824/ Selitta Sw200-1 seems to have failed- the only brand I’ve seen one in, in the wild, was a Dreyfuss pilots watch. it was a good movement to work on (calibre 39) and you could see how it could be added-to, it was really modular, but the Dreyfuss pilot watch (had a case just like an old Zenith) was a very stripped down, hand wound version of it. I kept some photos I took of the movement after servicing and recasing, if anyone wants to see. But I never saw another.
To think that Eterna were the inventors of the automatic winding movement with a ball bearing rotor, and now, beyond the Kon-Tiki range they seem to have really nothing.😢
 
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Professor Branestawm said:
And I absolutely promise you that if he brings them to me for servicing (and I expect no one has told him that they’d ever need servicing) I’ll have to drop in new movements or bin them as the parts for most won’t be available.
Total value will be around £1000 or so for the lot. And that’s probably optimistic.
It’s shameful, really, what these channels have done. To think that for that, he could’ve bought some real investment pieces that would have appreciated in value.
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In some cases they're basically scum, and I don't use that word lightly.

A few months back on another channel they were flogging a solid gold ingot. I can't recall the price they were flogging it at, however the following happened as part of the sale:

- The presenter said he wasn't giving investment advice and wasn't allowed to, however if he had <insert price of ingot here> he wouldn't put it into something like an ISA, he'd buy the ingot due to the increasing value of gold. MMmmm, that seems like giving investment advice to me.

- The usual bullsh1t about not knowing how they could be selling the ingot for that price.

- He then told a story of one of the production team or someone they knew. This other person apparently sold gold products elsewhere and told the presenter (through the magical earpiece) they were genuinely shocked at the price of the ingot as they couldn't buy gold at that price even at trade prices.

So I decided to do a quick Google there and then. Multiple other retailers were selling the same weight of ingot, same quality of gold, for something like a third of the price.

Sometimes selly telly sails close to the wind with the techniques they deploy, sometimes they outright lie. When the latter happens, they're scum.

What bracket do they fall into when they tell viewers an AliBaba-esque watch probably worth £49.99 (if that) is actually worth £499.99 and could sell all day for that? ;)
 
'Yes sir that's the new Ford Kuga, nice car I'm sure you'll agree? Although the ticket price is £30k, I can confidently tell you that car would sell all day long for £120k and is certainly worth that.'

'Yes sir that's the new Ford Kuga, nice car I'm sure you'll agree? Now, what we're going to do is start this sales negotiation at a price of £500k, ok? Then, I'll talk various bits and pieces of bullsh1t to you over the next 30 mins, gradually dropping the price. Eventually, I'll offer you the car for £30k.'

etc etc

See how stupid and devious their sales techniques are when applied to other sectors?
 

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