I remember the old Molton Brown TSVs. Yes, full size bath/shower, body lotion (I don't give a rat's ass if others don't like it. I do!), also skin care included. MB seems to discontinue their skin care and hair care, then bring them back. Repeat, repeat over the years. The skin care was lovely simple easy to use no frills. Now it's throw in some handwashes, some bath/shower which have discontinued like 3 or 4 years ago and no doubt sitting in their discount stores unsold. I find it interesting people going nuts because skincare brands in TSVs are perhaps a year or 18 months old, but not problem with MB shower/bath stuff being 3 or 4 years old. As for the 30mls, I get those given as freebies depending on how much I buy in their sale. They also used to just give them free anyway.