This is an interesting old thread. However, it seems Bingowings changed her opinion somewhat on the semantics of 'free p+p' and 'no p+p' since she created it but of course it's always a lady's prerogative to change her mind 
http://forum.shoppingtelly.com/forum/showthread.php?43036-If-anyone-needed-proof
http://forum.shoppingtelly.com/forum/showthread.php?43036-If-anyone-needed-proof
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