Random musings and general banter.

HughTwo said:

Of-the-Masons can't appear too often - he's working his fingers to the bone replying to the thousands of emails he gets from the 'gang', and I mean thousands.

Who knew so many were desperate to see a brush demonstrated again? After all, not only is it a brush, it's a brush.

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They are all grateful for the products he demands to be allowed to sell.

Jazzydrury said:

Duke I like The Reg Varney Reference

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Paul Becque has alway been known as 'Young Reg' in our house.

galesgal57 said:

Eight solid hours of Foghorn! Pedro is unable to do the show this morning. That's me out.

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More patio doors accidents ????????????

HughTwo said:

Of-the-Masons can't appear too often - he's working his fingers to the bone replying to the thousands of emails he gets from the 'gang', and I mean thousands.

Who knew so many were desperate to see a brush demonstrated again? After all, not only is it a brush, it's a brush.

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Scraping the barrel said:

On a more serious note…No I can’t be too serious as I’m at wits end with this lot,but maybe I am wrong but I’m sure I recall not that long ago when the ‘cough’ watch sellers on this channel (the usual suspects) used to advise getting your heirloom new watch(that cost £199 but worth £1999) valued at a jewellers??

I would love to know if anybody on here (unlikely I know) ever bought one of these extravagant,luxurious hand- me-downs and had it/them valued as the presenters suggested and found they had got a bargain from our friend Ideal World?
Don’t know why,but I am expecting laughing type emojis..hey ho.

But why would they do it anyway? They must be very confident if they suggest to get them valued? Strange..

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I can value watches and jewellery for insurance purposes.
The usual IW Chinese brands have an ‘on the wrist’ value of no more than £10.
Their Duchamp range, perhaps £200-£250 for the Roamer copies- and n more than £100-£150 for the quartz ones.
Most insurance companies want a valuation to replace with a similar watch, and won’t necessarily even match the brand - at these levels.

Professor Branestawm said:

I can value watches and jewellery for insurance purposes.
The usual IW Chinese brands have an ‘on the wrist’ value of no more than £10.
Their Duchamp range, perhaps £200-£250 for the Roamer copies- and n more than £100-£150 for the quartz ones.
Most insurance companies want a valuation to replace with a similar watch, and won’t necessarily even match the brand - at these levels.

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How dare you!!
We all know an Earnshaw can be worth a lot of money - a thousand pound, right, ok.
Horology expert Mr Patiodoor Simon told us these timepieces are a joy, a delight.......and very expensive

Professor Branestawm said:

I can value watches and jewellery for insurance purposes.
The usual IW Chinese brands have an ‘on the wrist’ value of no more than £10.
Their Duchamp range, perhaps £200-£250 for the Roamer copies- and n more than £100-£150 for the quartz ones.
Most insurance companies want a valuation to replace with a similar watch, and won’t necessarily even match the brand - at these levels.

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As I said earlier I have no knowledge or interest in watches. Just a cheapo to see the time.
So these Duchamp/Roamer et al watches that they sell are they a reasonable price or well over-priced or a good price.?

Sorry if I am an ignoramous but really curious… I think I may know the answer to my question

Professor Branestawm said:

I can value watches and jewellery for insurance purposes.
The usual IW Chinese brands have an ‘on the wrist’ value of no more than £10.
Their Duchamp range, perhaps £200-£250 for the Roamer copies- and n more than £100-£150 for the quartz ones.
Most insurance companies want a valuation to replace with a similar watch, and won’t necessarily even match the brand - at these levels.

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But I was assured by Johnathan Borethere that my Swan & Edgar Tourbilion watch is worth thousands and is an heirloom there to be left to whomever's there when I'm not longer there, so there!

Maybe you need some of those £9.99 head-mounted magnifying glasses Mike of the Masons is constantly selling out of to take a closer look at these exquisite one-of-a-kind horological masterpieces on IW. They're from world-renowend purveyors of luxury timepieces and items few of us could aspire to own.

Please revise your valuations!

Buckle up,here we go!
It’s the ‘end of carnival clearance’ clearance

Money aside - how does he motivate himself to try to sell these bargain basement incredibly repetitive and dull products base each night?

Oh dear…it’s all going t its up this evening..No talkback now…

Maybe it’s me but Mike what is a vacuum gap of air?
In science at skool I was told a vacuum is no air..as in space

I may be misunderstanding the terminology so happy to be put right.

If these Chinese headphones were £80, I’d bite yerse ‘ands off for ‘em. If these Chinese headphones were £70, I’d bite yerse knackers off for ‘em… But they ain’t 80 parned, they ain’t 70 parned. Bleedin’ ‘ell…£17.99…£17.99…£17.99…How many gorne? (Never shares this information)…I tells yer…I feels music, I do…

The garden tools out of season set comes with a transplanter.. Somebody tell Peter Simon for his next procedure. I managed to negotiate you a special price, he says. I.E. He was told the price on his prep sheet.

He is evangelical about the emu balm. His ‘problem’ was eradicated by using it. He now no longer hangs around in saloon bars waiting to be asked what aftershave he is wearing..

Oh no, headphones again!
Of-the-Masons feeling the music through these £17.99 jobs

And now, HE has negotiated a great price on garden tools. What a selfless geezer he is.
Between emailing the 'gang' and battle with the bosses for price cuts!

I do hope Dirty Peter is slathering himself in Emu Balm to return to action.
Rod in Hull texted in to recommend Emu

Negotiated the price…HOE HOE HOE…

A copper-infused mattress topper coming up later tonight.
What on earth is that supposed to do? Must you wear the copper socks in bed?

No doubt Of-the-Masons and his goddess sleep on one

HughTwo said:

A copper-infused mattress topper coming up later tonight.
What on earth is that supposed to do? Must you wear the copper socks in bed?

No doubt Of-the-Masons and his goddess sleep on one

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If your bed's near a window and you were laying on your copper mattress topper wearing your copper socks, would you be in danger from lightning in a storm?! I might email in and ask!

Scraping the barrel said:

As I said earlier I have no knowledge or interest in watches. Just a cheapo to see the time.
So these Duchamp/Roamer et al watches that they sell are they a reasonable price or well over-priced or a good price.?

Sorry if I am an ignoramous but really curious… I think I may know the answer to my question

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To be honest, at the price points offered on selly-telly, there isn’t a single watch I’ve ever seen that will hold its value in the short term- not one.

Most of their offerings come from drop-shippers - people who import a standard Chinese design, screen printed with the name of a brand, with a brand story and history that is either made-up, or actually belonging to a long-gone company. These watches have no intrinsic value, only their cosmetic appeal. The importers often state openly (but never on the telly) that they price very optimistically on their own websites, so that the ultimate purchaser (via selly-telly) feels they are getting a good deal. These are the likes of Heritor, Swan and Edgar, Seksi, and the others. Companies behind the drop shipping include Fields Luxury, Solar Time Hong Kong, ResultCo, etc. Many are small businesses operating out of an office - often an accommodation address - and just importing pre-designed Chinese watches. All of these have, essentially, no value at all beyond the sentimental. They will not, normally, make it beyond their first service, usually because the cost of that service will vastly exceed the value of the watch. It doesn’t mean these are bad products. Just very cheaply made fashion items of low value, worn to make someone happy. The annoying part is how selly-telly makes claims of heritage, of value and of longevity, all of which are simply not true.

The second kind of watch is the respectable quartz, mecha-quartz, or lower-end Japanese movement watches - the Vostoks and Duchamps etc. Here, the product will generally have been reasonably made, sometimes of Swiss Parts, and rarely (but occasionally) assembled in Switzerland, and with movements that are serviceable and where I can actually get parts to repair them. The value drops like a stone on sale - always less than half of the sale price - a bit like a new car. And usually that’s where it will stay, at or around £100 or so, sometimes £200, in good condition. Very, very rarely, you might get one worth more, if it looks particularly attractive - but not much more.

The third kind of watch that IW have sold is the ‘lower end’ genuine Swiss product - they have sold Eternas, and Matthey-Tissot, both of which will use stock Valjoux, ETA or Selitta movements in a stainless steel case, sometimes PVD plated in gold or black. Eterna have a better name, heritage, and reputation (in my view), but I can service or repair these as long as you like - they’ll last forever, so long as you don’t mind paying. A service on a ‘simple’ three hand watch with date is around £200 every 5 years and your watch will last practically forever (though it will be like Triggers Broom!). A service on a Valjoux chronograph, probably £375-£400, again every 5 years. These watches therefore, to an extent have a value limited by their ongoing costs. You ought to expect it to stabilise around £300-£400 or so for a standard automatic watch with date and £600-£750 for a chronograph.
In very good condition, with papers and box.

The fourth kind of watch is one Selly-Telly will never sell - Rolex,Tudor, Omega and upwards. Especially Rolex will hold its sale value and may very well actually appreciate - though it’s very subject to fashion. Zenith, Chronoswiss, IWC, Cartier Longines (but less than Omega), Jaeger, and more, will also all - generally - hold value, and may be 18ct gold as well, so have value simply from that. Parts are reasonably easy to source, I can service them, and a simple Zenith service works out around £500 or so. Some will also increase in value over the years if cared for, as inflation takes the ‘new’ price higher.

The fifth kind of watch is the real high end - the very top of the tree - the likes of Vacheron Constantin, Audemars Piguet, A. Lange & Sohne, and especially of course, Patek Phillippe (without doubt the watch that holds its value and appreciates the most). But you’ll need £30,000 or so, for a Patek, even for their simplest and cheapest product).

Sorry this was so very long! Hope it was of some interest. I could type so much more, but as you know, I have MS and my fingers just can’t do it any more.

Professor Branestawm said:

The fourth kind of watch is one Selly-Telly will never sell - Rolex,Tudor, Omega and upwards. Especially Rolex will hold its sale value and may very well actually appreciate - though it’s very subject to fashion. Zenith, Chronoswiss, IWC, Cartier Longines (but less than Omega), Jaeger, and more, will also all - generally - hold value, and may be 18ct gold as well, so have value simply from that. Parts are reasonably easy to source, I can service them, and a simple Zenith service works out around £500 or so. Some will also increase in value over the years if cared for, as inflation takes the ‘new’ price higher.

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And it's the fourth (and on occasion fifth (!)) kind that the IW presenters and experts make allusions to when selling the dropped ship rubbish, which they'll claim is a fraction of the cost of a Rolex or Omega simply because cut out the marketing and make you (the buyer) their 'brand ambassador', etc.

yawn.

Professor Branestawm said:

To be honest, at the price points offered on selly-telly, there isn’t a single watch I’ve ever seen that will hold its value in the short term- not one.

Most of their offerings come from drop-shippers - people who import a standard Chinese design, screen printed with the name of a brand, with a brand story and history that is either made-up, or actually belonging to a long-gone company. These watches have no intrinsic value, only their cosmetic appeal. The importers often state openly (but never on the telly) that they price very optimistically on their own websites, so that the ultimate purchaser (via selly-telly) feels they are getting a good deal. These are the likes of Heritor, Swan and Edgar, Seksi, and the others. Companies behind the drop shipping include Fields Luxury, Solar Time Hong Kong, ResultCo, etc. Many are small businesses operating out of an office - often an accommodation address - and just importing pre-designed Chinese watches. All of these have, essentially, no value at all beyond the sentimental. They will not, normally, make it beyond their first service, usually because the cost of that service will vastly exceed the value of the watch. It doesn’t mean these are bad products. Just very cheaply made fashion items of low value, worn to make someone happy. The annoying part is how selly-telly makes claims of heritage, of value and of longevity, all of which are simply not true.

The second kind of watch is the respectable quartz, mecha-quartz, or lower-end Japanese movement watches - the Vostoks and Duchamps etc. Here, the product will generally have been reasonably made, sometimes of Swiss Parts, and rarely (but occasionally) assembled in Switzerland, and with movements that are serviceable and where I can actually get parts to repair them. The value drops like a stone on sale - always less than half of the sale price - a bit like a new car. And usually that’s where it will stay, at or around £100 or so, sometimes £200, in good condition. Very, very rarely, you might get one worth more, if it looks particularly attractive - but not much more.

The third kind of watch that IW have sold is the ‘lower end’ genuine Swiss product - they have sold Eternas, and Matthey-Tissot, both of which will use stock Valjoux, ETA or Selitta movements in a stainless steel case, sometimes PVD plated in gold or black. Eterna have a better name, heritage, and reputation (in my view), but I can service or repair these as long as you like - they’ll last forever, so long as you don’t mind paying. A service on a ‘simple’ three hand watch with date is around £200 every 5 years and your watch will last practically forever (though it will be like Triggers Broom!). A service on a Valjoux chronograph, probably £375-£400, again every 5 years. These watches therefore, to an extent have a value limited by their ongoing costs. You ought to expect it to stabilise around £300-£400 or so for a standard automatic watch with date and £600-£750 for a chronograph.
In very good condition, with papers and box.

The fourth kind of watch is one Selly-Telly will never sell - Rolex,Tudor, Omega and upwards. Especially Rolex will hold its sale value and may very well actually appreciate - though it’s very subject to fashion. Zenith, Chronoswiss, IWC, Cartier Longines (but less than Omega), Jaeger, and more, will also all - generally - hold value, and may be 18ct gold as well, so have value simply from that. Parts are reasonably easy to source, I can service them, and a simple Zenith service works out around £500 or so. Some will also increase in value over the years if cared for, as inflation takes the ‘new’ price higher.

The fifth kind of watch is the real high end - the very top of the tree - the likes of Vacheron Constantin, Audemars Piguet, A. Lange & Sohne, and especially of course, Patek Phillippe (without doubt the watch that holds its value and appreciates the most). But you’ll need £30,000 or so, for a Patek, even for their simplest and cheapest product).

Sorry this was so very long! Hope it was of some interest. I could type so much more, but as you know, I have MS and my fingers just can’t do it any more.

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Thanks so much.Very useful info. So realistically very few watches increase in value…and certainly the ones sold on Ideal World are overpriced!
I am just bemused that they encourage you to buy then get them valued where you should expect a value of more than you paid