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The acid test for me is the prolonged gap in any attempt to do similar again. I just cannot reconcile how, with the virtually non-existent computer capabilities that we had back in the late 1960s, such a mission could’ve been accurately monitored and controlled. The communication side of things with the technology of the time also baffles me how it could succeed.

I know this is wildly off-topic haha, but I too used to think the landing was beyond our abilities of the era.

Then I learned about tech and… Eh, not really. Antiquated systems by modern standards, more nuts, bolts, and valves than anything super electronic - but the same tech was powering jet fighters, nuclear reactors, etc of the era too.

I'd say the fact other countries (who'd have a lot to gain from exposing the USA faked the first moon landing - not sure if you're saying all subsequent Apollo moon landings were faked too) have sent craft around and to the moon which always seen things left there from the Apollo missions is more of an acid test that it happened.

Plus, Occam's Razor. It's more plausible that man went to the moon in 1969 than not, given that in order for it to have been faked all of the following must be true:

  • Everyone involved in the moon landings who knew it was fake kept quiet
  • A rocket was launched as a front, and tracked the intended route to fool ground astronomers
    • With the real astronauts in to account for the hours of POV film footage taken in zero gravity during the mission, and the live broadcast to networks mid-way through
  • Scripted radio transmissions were broadcast in real-time to convince anyone tuning in
  • Countries with spies and moles who knew it was staged chose to sit on the info, even during the Cold War
  • Billions was spent developing technologies, engineering and science to take man to the moon but not use it
    • This development did happen as it was reused/repurposed for later missions not involving the moon, filtered out to everyday life through private companies, filled research papers of the era, etc
  • Lunar samples returned from the moon and distributed worldwide for research were fake, and no-one noticed
    • (or acquired by a covert moon mission involving robots long before the 1990s - which opens up a can of worms about who developed/worked on that, why did that not leak, why was that technology suppressed until the mid 80s,etc).

There's a simplistic reason for why: money.

The reason the USA ever got to the moon at all was driven by political need. The USA government, spooked by the USSR advancing, threw pretty much unlimited money, resources, manpower at the project for the prestige and the American public were behind them.

But after they won the race it became harder to justify the colossal expense for each victory lap. There's not an awful lot to "do" on the moon for a human (especially scientifically). It's risky, and it's astronomically expensive.

As the political landscape shifted and the Cold War kicked in, oil prices rose, inflation hit, the American public were more concerned with earthly matters than trips to the moon. The NASA budget was cut, and ongoing expenditure had to be justified as 'greatest rewards for minimal cost' and there was the rest of space to investigate.

By the time the Cold War ended in the 1990s, technology had advanced to the point where it was more useful (and safer) to send robots packed with sensors than humans in bulky suits.

That's changed a little in recent years as the plan is to go back, in partnership with private companies, with a view to colonisation for the purposes of …ransacking the rock to make multi-billionaires super-trillionaires.
 
I agree it is astonishing that in 1969 a computer with the power of a Sinclair ZX81 could control the moon landing and yet today with all the gigantic technological advances they can barely get a rocket off the ground.

To be fair, both space agencies and private companies get more rockets off the ground today, routinely, than ever before. It's just a case that it's so routine it's not newsworthy.

SpaceX alone has launched Falcon 9-series rockets (with payloads) 364 times since 2010. Of those, only 3 have failed (exploded), and 1 just didn't take off.

Explosions are newsworthy though, and all kinds of aerospace companies test new types of rockets, many of which explode (often expected to - it's how they learn what works). We only tend to hear about those failures in the news, which is why it might seem like we can "barely get a rocket off the ground" these days! 😅.
 
No. I don’t believe the Moon Landings were genuine. Though, didn’t Buzz Aldrin lamp somebody who came up to him and told him that.
Oh dear. Sorry Duke, @Duke of Cheese but you're absolutely, 100%, wrong on this.

The best evidence is the Selene and LRO (photography satellites in moon orbit) that show all 6 missions' landers, the rover vehicles, the footsteps and tracks in the dust made as they walked and drove, on and from the surface base landing sites, all still intact.


They built massive Saturn V rockets (with the German V2 rocket expertise of Werner Von Braun). Thousands saw them lift off. Not just to go into orbit! Armstrong trained on the flying bedstead.The Germans went to the Moon, the Americans paid for it.
The Gemini and Mercury missions were testbeds for all the technology and methods used.
To put all this money, effort and thousands of people into 6 (1 failed) fake attempts, a conspiracy of silence?

The moon landing was a culmination of the integration of human technology integration since the industrial revolution. A milestone, hence one small step for (a) man, one giant leap for Mankind. Using alm the knowledge and tech we had developed at that point to achieve it.
That and the atomic bomb, are the 2 defining technological advances of humankind and probably why the UFO phenomena.started in earnest from 1947 (I won't go there!).

We haven't been back since (but SpaceX/NASA are going back now, see NASA/SpaceX, Project Artemis and Starship) as it cost too much and they'd done it, achieve mission to get moon rock samples and geology. Harrison Schmidnlt was the first non-military Geologist sent to get the rocks! Not much more point going back to a dead.moon again and again, until now when possibly water, ice, caves and this the start of a base to get to Mars, the next step. I hope I live long enough to see it.

Look up John Young too, and amazing guy, Apollo, Space Shuttle.
They and the 100,000s involved aren't all lying for the last 55 years!!!

(The United States spent $25.8 billion on Project Apollo between 1960 and 1973, or approximately $257 billion when adjusted for inflation to 2020 dollars.)

The Russians, Independent observatories in UK (Jodrell Bank), Australia, and others all tracked the missions' crafts on the way and descent to surface.

Ignore the stupid internet conspiracy theories and incorrect 'evidence' about shadows and photographs, photo cross hairs, wobbly flags van Allen radiation, etc. It's all disproven nonsense.

The astronauts took 1000s of photos, from their Nikon chest cameras, that they'd trained to use and capsule cine camera footage. They had an early Sony Walkman tape player.
Many photos were unusable, the best were selected for release. The TV transmission of cameras from the Landers and on surface was all technically doable via satellite broadcast (b&w) with the base (tranquility) acting as staging broadcast.
The computer core and code was written by MIT. They used radar too.
Jet fighters were around in the 50's.

If you'd spent your entire career in the military, from West Point, as a USAF pilot, in Korean War, test pilot, then astronaut, with a Bachelors degree, Masters degree and Doctorate of Science (on manual space docking), culminating in the Apollo landing, and some loon approaches you with a Bible saying you never went after all the years of training and hard work, you'd punch his lights out too.

There is a possibility that a few of the PR photos issued to media showing the best views of the USA flag on the lander and the descent of the astronaut from landers were doctored, or mockups, for PR purposes later, but the vast majority of the astronaut photo archive, good and bad is on record.

The late 60s and early 70s was the start of the tech revolution and solid state electronics; think Dansette, HMV, Garrard record decks, Sony radios. So while the tech was clunky and large, semiconductors and solid state computing had arrived by then. No valves. Albeit leading edge technology. And one f*cking big rocket and a lander jet engine built with one-time start chemicals by Grumman.
They also photographed the dark side of the moon in the Apollo 8 and onwards rendezvous' which later orbiting photo satellites (e.g. the recent Indian and Chinese remote Landers have photographed the Apollo kit on surface and confirmed the dark side moon mapping from them).

There are good documentaries showing how the remote TV and later missions improved coverage were achieved.

Or I suppose the Americans faked it 7 times, launching the biggest ever rockets made (until SpaceX).

I know it seems amazing, incredible, but they really did spend all that money and integrating war time and subsequent technology to get to the Moon. It wouldn't have happened if WWII didn't, it spurred the tech race.

Or I suppose alien UFOs could have taken all our .lkit and put it all on the moon, in the right place, for each of the 6 missions and we faked all the photos, live TV and cine and moon footage.

The bigger question, is were the ufo's reportedly seen by the Apollo crews and on the rim of the craters they landed at, watching them all the time???
 
I know this is wildly off-topic haha, but I too used to think the landing was beyond our abilities of the era.

Then I learned about tech and… Eh, not really. Antiquated systems by modern standards, more nuts, bolts, and valves than anything super electronic - but the same tech was powering jet fighters, nuclear reactors, etc of the era too.

I'd say the fact other countries (who'd have a lot to gain from exposing the USA faked the first moon landing - not sure if you're saying all subsequent Apollo moon landings were faked too) have sent craft around and to the moon which always seen things left there from the Apollo missions is more of an acid test that it happened.

Plus, Occam's Razor. It's more plausible that man went to the moon in 1969 than not, given that in order for it to have been faked all of the following must be true:

  • Everyone involved in the moon landings who knew it was fake kept quiet
  • A rocket was launched as a front, and tracked the intended route to fool ground astronomers
    • With the real astronauts in to account for the hours of POV film footage taken in zero gravity during the mission, and the live broadcast to networks mid-way through
  • Scripted radio transmissions were broadcast in real-time to convince anyone tuning in
  • Countries with spies and moles who knew it was staged chose to sit on the info, even during the Cold War
  • Billions was spent developing technologies, engineering and science to take man to the moon but not use it
    • This development did happen as it was reused/repurposed for later missions not involving the moon, filtered out to everyday life through private companies, filled research papers of the era, etc
  • Lunar samples returned from the moon and distributed worldwide for research were fake, and no-one noticed
    • (or acquired by a covert moon mission involving robots long before the 1990s - which opens up a can of worms about who developed/worked on that, why did that not leak, why was that technology suppressed until the mid 80s,etc).

There's a simplistic reason for why: money.

The reason the USA ever got to the moon at all was driven by political need. The USA government, spooked by the USSR advancing, threw pretty much unlimited money, resources, manpower at the project for the prestige and the American public were behind them.

But after they won the race it became harder to justify the colossal expense for each victory lap. There's not an awful lot to "do" on the moon for a human (especially scientifically). It's risky, and it's astronomically expensive.

As the political landscape shifted and the Cold War kicked in, oil prices rose, inflation hit, the American public were more concerned with earthly matters than trips to the moon. The NASA budget was cut, and ongoing expenditure had to be justified as 'greatest rewards for minimal cost' and there was the rest of space to investigate.

By the time the Cold War ended in the 1990s, technology had advanced to the point where it was more useful (and safer) to send robots packed with sensors than humans in bulky suits.

That's changed a little in recent years as the plan is to go back, in partnership with private companies, with a view to colonisation for the purposes of …ransacking the rock to make multi-billionaires super-trillionaires.
@Duke of Cheese What @Herring said. 😀
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Salter steamer bargain price on IW for £37.99 despatch 30th July. Or you can buy from TJC for £49.99 with a 40% discount if you use code SAVEBIG making it £29.99 with despatch 27th July.

So does that mean IW are buying from TJC and selling it on and making £8 profit on each item?
@Battiola73 Fyi, TJC bought IW last year. Yes, they are using their IW channel to mark-up and sell TJC items (e.g. their in-house Homesmart brand kit) to the uninitiated.
IW is effectively TJC's non-jewellery channel, now.
And they're mugging off the uninformed IW tv watchers who don't know about TJC or aren't online.

P.S. was watching PS, flogging the Nubeo watches, "there are 3 on the phones, Harry, John, Bill, you need to check out you baskets now or miss out."

How does he know the names of people if they have baskets online, you only enter name details after checkout, and if they're on the phone to the call centre, then they don't have online baskets to checkout.

It's all false rubbish purely designed to create a sense of urgency and fomo.
 
Oh my gawd, Natalia is positively translucent today.

It is like she is metamorphosing into another, unearthly being. The eyes are madder than ever as they peer into the middle distance, the hand gestures more wild. Quite disturbing.
Saw her yesterday and has she done something to her nose, it was a different colour red/brown line down the centreline but not to the tip, or just bad make-up, or sunburn. Or surgery?
The rest of her was very shiny.
She was gorgeous as a younger actor. She seems to have gone the 'celeb' fake beauty way of those on camera. Or trying to hold back the years on the face with these questionable creams, potions, products.
A shame for a natural beauty to look so artificial.
 
@Battiola73 Fyi, TJC bought IW last year. Yes, they are using their IW channel to mark-up and sell TJC items (e.g. their in-house Homesmart brand kit) to the uninitiated.
IW is effectively TJC's non-jewellery channel, now.
And they're mugging off the uninformed IW tv watchers who don't know about TJC or aren't online.

P.S. was watching PS, flogging the Nubeo watches, "there are 3 on the phones, Harry, John, Bill, you need to check out you baskets now or miss out."

How does he know the names of people if they have baskets online, you only enter name details after checkout, and if they're on the phone to the call centre, then they don't have online baskets to checkout.

It's all false rubbish purely designed to create a sense of urgency and fomo.
I did know that THC now owns IW. I should have put that on my post. It just seems that IW and TJC for that matter are conning IW viewers. Reading numerous comments on this forum, it appears that IW is targeting the older generation who maybe not be au fait with modern technology. I’m well into that age bracket and am very computer literate, having been involved since the early 1970s, feel very cross that IW are targeting those who are not.
 
Saw her yesterday and has she done something to her nose, it was a different colour red/brown line down the centreline but not to the tip, or just bad make-up, or sunburn. Or surgery?
The rest of her was very shiny.
She was gorgeous as a younger actor. She seems to have gone the 'celeb' fake beauty way of those on camera. Or trying to hold back the years on the face with these questionable creams, potions, products.
A shame for a natural beauty to look so artificial.
Yes she's a bit like Cher who has had so much work done that she looks very little like the pretty young woman she once was. Bit by bit, she has been rebuilt.

Natalia seems to be on the same road I'm afraid. Rather a shame but we see it all the time with celebrities, many in their 20s.
 
I tend to agree with you. I use Amazon occasionally.
That's not to say I agree with their business style or tax model.
I think ideally you should support your local businesses where possible, even if it's just part of a chain like Asda or Aldi.
Even better local independent businesses.
But time, prices, travelling, convenience, are factors that have to be taken into account.
By searching on Amazon or Ebay, you can often find something, with probably a vast choice of products at competitive prices.
Their good to look at, sometimes just to see what's out there.
When I can I do support local businesses. There are a few that will deliver and some I can buy through Just Eat or Deliveroo, but sometimes the delivery costs are just too expensive.

I do have a regular Tesco home delivery and they now have recently added their Marketplace for more household type things. Free Delivery fir Marketplace is included on my grocery delivery pass.
 
He was on about Call me Barbara, Bang my backdoors, Kiss my Anorak, I’m 18 if I was working there I’d report
He likes to be as smutty as he can get away with. The people he works with are all very young, and won't call him out. He is also very economical with the truth when making a sale. He gets away with blue murder, and he knows nobody will say a thing.
 

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