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historymystery said:

I find the advice it seems he's giving really dangerous, not just dodgy. There are people who will believe every word of what's said on air, and OK, we know these things usually come with an information leaflet, but there are a lot of people who don't bother reading the leaflet but will have listened to what is in some cases erroneous information on a very important topic, and will rely on that. He really should not be giving out this kind of information to viewers - since when was he medically qualified? And the info. on low blood pressure sounds totally wrong - a niece had this, and it is very serious indeed. Sweeping statements about low BP - or anything else medical come to that - should not be made. I find this really irresponsible.

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The whole pitch was a disgrace really - including Lindsey using the ill health of her dad and nan to try to get sales, which, in my opinion, is as low as you can get. It's usually Ellis that prays on ill health and death to flog things - but Lindsey really scraped the barrel yesterday.

Then Steve telling us his machine is "super accurate", but not being able to back it up because his readings were all over the place - and then the misleading information about ideal blood pressures. He was correct about high blood pressure, but the omission of telling people about low blood pressure was poor - particularly when low blood pressure can be, potentially, fatal.

Steve is often pulled up on Facebook by a professional nutritionist too about the claims he makes about Fibre.

As you say, as far as I am aware, Steve has no medical or nutritional qualifications, so therefore, he should refrain from giving medical and nutritional advice.

I get sick of Gemporia employees claiming to be 'experts', or talking as if they're an expert, when they don't have any qualifications to back it up.

TheManWithNoName said:

Steve is often pulled up on Facebook by a professional nutritionist too about the claims he makes about Fibre.

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Gaslighting (sorry, I meant sales technique) about heavy gram weights in jewellery, filled rubies, average jaspers, agates etc, at stupid prices is one thing. This type of utter BS does get my goat a little more.

Does Steve have a fix for Short Memory Syndrome? 40 blooming years ago, Audrey Eyton wrote this (image 1) and it was everywhere in the Press, TV.

There's only one F-Plan I have for a cardboard box, with 3g per 100g of F-ing reconstituted plant made in China, packaged and shipped (image 2). Broccoli is roughly 2.6g of fibre per 100g and it doesn't just have lab-created citric acid added to make it white. It has a whole host of other nutrients. This is what 108g of Broccoli looks like (image 3 - yep, so wound up I went & cut some up ). I know which I'd rather eat.



(and, yes, Low BP nearly did for me two years ago and I'm younger than Steve is.)

historymystery said:

I find the advice it seems he's giving really dangerous, not just dodgy. There are people who will believe every word of what's said on air, and OK, we know these things usually come with an information leaflet, but there are a lot of people who don't bother reading the leaflet but will have listened to what is in some cases erroneous information on a very important topic, and will rely on that. He really should not be giving out this kind of information to viewers - since when was he medically qualified? And the info. on low blood pressure sounds totally wrong - a niece had this, and it is very serious indeed. Sweeping statements about low BP - or anything else medical come to that - should not be made. I find this really irresponsible.

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What you are not told is that natural remedies can have side effects the same as chemical ones. My advice, do your research before buying anything!

AndyW said:

Gaslighting (sorry, I meant sales technique) about heavy gram weights in jewellery, filled rubies, average jaspers, agates etc, at stupid prices is one thing. This type of utter BS does get my goat a little more.

Does Steve have a fix for Short Memory Syndrome? 40 blooming years ago, Audrey Eyton wrote this (image 1) and it was everywhere in the Press, TV.

There's only one F-Plan I have for a cardboard box, with 3g per 100g of F-ing reconstituted plant made in China, packaged and shipped (image 2). Broccoli is roughly 2.6g of fibre per 100g and it doesn't just have lab-created citric acid added to make it white. It has a whole host of other nutrients. This is what 108g of Broccoli looks like (image 3 - yep, so wound up I went & cut some up ). I know which I'd rather eat.



(and, yes, Low BP nearly did for me two years ago and I'm younger than Steve is.)

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Absolutely right - I feel really incensed if this is the kind of "advice" being given, but you've got personal knowledge of how dangerous low BP can be. Flannel and waffle about the jewellery pales into insignificance when compared with giving pseudo-medical advice and making sweeping statements that could have drastic implications for someone.

Unless he's acquired a medical degree in the past year or so, then he should keep quiet.

TheManWithNoName said:

The whole pitch was a disgrace really - including Lindsey using the ill health of her dad and nan to try to get sales, which, in my opinion, is as low as you can get. It's usually Ellis that prays on ill health and death to flog things - but Lindsey really scraped the barrel yesterday.

Then Steve telling us his machine is "super accurate", but not being able to back it up because his readings were all over the place - and then the misleading information about ideal blood pressures. He was correct about high blood pressure, but the omission of telling people about low blood pressure was poor - particularly when low blood pressure can be, potentially, fatal.

Steve is often pulled up on Facebook by a professional nutritionist too about the claims he makes about Fibre.

As you say, as far as I am aware, Steve has no medical or nutritional qualifications, so therefore, he should refrain from giving medical and nutritional advice.

I get sick of Gemporia employees claiming to be 'experts', or talking as if they're an expert, when they don't have any qualifications to back it up.

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Let's face it, they are quick enough to promote the "GIA qualification" and make great play with that, but on the other hand mighty reluctant to tell us anything about their medical qualifications (whatever they might be .)

historymystery said:

Unless he's acquired a medical degree in the past year or so, then he should keep quiet.

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Not making light of it, but if he had, you'd never hear the last of it.

I guess that many couldn't help but bump into Toby and Ellis with the CBD mega presentation. As always bust making the case for the fact that the product is of the highest quality, using superior extraction methods which set it apart. That it is full spectrum. That Toby has seen a 30ml bottle in Harrods for £5K. Just the usual first hour making the case for the product, comparing the (unannounced) price with the selected web searches before chipping away at the price to make out that the price today with but one get one half price is unnecessary!
So best deal was £229 for 30 ml, buy two for £343.50 so even with easy pay that is £114.50.
But use your favourite search engine and do some reading of the information on the competitor web site and you will quickly find that products are readily available which have the same qualities, the same origin, the same broad spectrum, the same confidence of publishing the lab report. Of course Gemporia took an hour to give you the knowledge of the products and what to look for when checking the alternatives.
It will come as no surprise that the competitor equivalents cost way less that the Prolife offering - of course television production costs, presenters, call centre etc etc has to be paid for some how and that cost falls to the customer. Contrary to what they might suggest they are not a charity. Even if there is a call for Toby to receive am honour from the King!

historymystery said:

Let's face it, they are quick enough to promote the "GIA qualification" and make great play with that, but on the other hand mighty reluctant to tell us anything about their medical qualifications (whatever they might be .)

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And even if they did, I doubt they'd tell us how much 'weight' their qualification as - such as the GIA AGP certification, which is VERY basic. They are not gemmologists (with the exception of Matt Bennett).

If they do have any form of certification or qualification, which I believe Poppy and Nick claim they have, then I would imagine its a fairly basic or entry level certification - otherwise they wouldn't need to use 'cop out' disclaimers should as "always consult with your GP first".

These health items can’t ship to Australia because of our regulations -Steve would need to register them with the TGA which costs $$. I don’t think they’d sell here anyway, given how many high quality and regulated products are available at our supermarkets and pharmacies, and the population is quite knowledgable and health focussed. Konjac noodles are available in our supermarkets, but i’ve read a lot of complaints of stomach pain and serious digestive issues, like bowel obstruction. Those vitamins shows, garlic soaps and fluoride free toothpastes are ridiculous -what qualifications does Nick have, mumbles nonsense half of the time. Hopefully they are made in a reputable country and not China like those rubbish cosmetics.

Jojo1 said:

These health items can’t ship to Australia because of our regulations -Steve would need to register them with the TGA which costs $$. I don’t think they’d sell here anyway, given how many high quality and regulated products are available at our supermarkets and pharmacies, and the population is quite knowledgable and health focussed. Konjac noodles are available in our supermarkets, but i’ve read a lot of complaints of stomach pain and serious digestive issues, like bowel obstruction. Those vitamins shows, garlic soaps and fluoride free toothpastes are ridiculous -what qualifications does Nick have, mumbles nonsense half of the time. Hopefully they are made in a reputable country and not China like those rubbish cosmetics.

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I have seen some of their produce as being made in Turkey. Not sure about the rest of it, but some.